are talking to bernie sanders, and andrew cuomo. i think these polls are meaningle meaningless. i would say sure, hillary had a good ride but it's a long way away. you bring as much experience as anybody else, certainly as she would. if you want do it, go for it. i still think it's wide open. >> i look at these numbers and i see something different. two years out before a presidential primary it's very early and we can cite hillary clinton at this point 2006 would have looked a lot stronger. but we have not seen numbers like this for an open seat before. you compound that with the fact that biden is a sitting vice president. if he were you know former delaware governor sitting against hillary clinton that would be one thing. he's the sitting vice president of the states. >> i want to put on the record i'm a great admirer of joe biden. if hillary were not in the race, if he ran he could beat any of these republicans that are throwing their hats in the ring. they're all terrible. so...