them in the same breath with anything going on at his ranch? i mean, yes, some of it could be anticipated. but the depth of it, the utter ignorance of it is to me still breathtaking. >> yeah, and just to go to the broader issue for a minute, you still do have a lot of republicans, a lot of people on the right saying, okay, cliven bundy, we don't want to deal with him anymore. we want to pretend we've never heard of him. but the issue between the federal government and the states is still a live issue. you still had people like rick perry saying that they want to keep the issue. is there any way for the right to salvage the issue they wanted to talk about? or has cliven bundy made that impossible? >> well, there were so issues that they originally wanted to talk about. all of them, they think, wedge issues, rural america versus the elites in urban america, the real bedrock of this country, the cowboys versus everybody else. i think the only legitimate issue here, it is a...