tax it. so the idea of cutting taxes is a good idea. >> on income, for workers. >> on income. and i'm not one of these guys, oh, we need to zero the capital gains and all this stuff. i disagree with that. >> let me ask the other guys really quickly and see if you agree with me. warren buffett should not be paying 14% tax rate while his secretary is paying 28% tax rate, true or false? >> in the book i address the issue that we have to reform the tax code. people are saying why are people not being hired? because of the regulatory environment of this administration. obamacare putting another tax on labor by saying if you want to hire somebody, you've got to pay them this and pay them that. we keep -- for helping people, the minimum wage, we're going to help people. we're going to make wages more. you do that, you disin sent viez people to hire and incentivize them to buy a machine. >> when you raise the minimum wage you disincentivize them? >> of course, you make labor more...

because of the regulatory environment of this administration. obamacare putting another tax on labor by saying if you want to hire somebody, you've got to pay them this and pay them that. we keep -- for helping people, the minimum wage, we're going to help people. we're going to make wages more. you do that, you disin sent viez people to hire and incentivize them to buy a machine. >> when you raise the minimum wage you disincentivize them? >> of course, you make labor more expensive. >> what about rebuilding the