account in which the official and the unofficial e-mails were co-mingled. you put a very juicy target out there. >> how easy would that be? >> well, fraly, not very difficult if you have the resources and talented foam eeo go after it. they do this all the time against better defended targets than we saw in the loft in the apartment in denver. i think the fundamental issue is to sit here and, ron, you mentioned this, to sit here and the original sin is the original sin. the original sin is actually co-mingling the two accounts and not using a government e-mail server. look, there's a big gray area that exists even in the unclassified government e-mail accounts. but you're fire walled against most wrongdoing there by the fact you're using a government account that has some protections to it. once you remove that, i'm stunned that her staff allowed her to do that in 2009 given the

announcing his opposition of the iran nuclear deal. joining us now, former directsor of the cia and nsa, now a principal of the cehertock grou. >> it's been your job to protect classified material for very long time. this morning you wake up and you find out that the secretary of state, for several years, had classified documents going through a server that was in an apartment loft bathroom in denver, colorado. can you even begin to tell us what you would have done if you found out someone working with you while you're at the cia had done this? >> let me turn that around, joe and ask a slightly different question. what would i have done as the director of nsa against a foreign minister who had done that? i'd move heaven and earth to access the private e-mail account of a foreign minister. and i really go after an e-mail account in which the official and the unofficial e-mails were co-mingled. you put a very juicy target out there. >> how easy would that be? >> well, fraly, not...