and now in the united states congress. joining us now is congresswoman tammy duckworth of illinois. she's an iraq war combat veteran, and as a child, she saw firsthand another refugee crisis in southwest asia. she has an op-ed today called reject fearmongers. welcome syrian refugees that appeared in today's chicago trib. it's really nice to have you here. thanks for being with us tonight. >> it's good to be on, rachel. >> what do you think explains the move, particularly by governors, across the u.s., including the governor, the republican governor in your state, to make syrian refugees the issue and to try to block them state-by-state? >> well, i don't know why they're doing it, rachel, but here's what i do know. when we react from fear and terror, the way these governors are reacting, we have achieved the terrorists' goals. this is what they want to do. they can't beat us on a conventional battlefield, so they have to beat us somewhere else and so when we react with terror and fear,...