last month, i spoke to one of the original sponsors of north carolina's so-called bathroom bill. state representative dan bishop maintained the law doenot cut back on any protections. >> those who would dishonestly attack this law, they -- the problem for them is they want to carry the argument that men should go into bathrooms and locker rooms with girls and women. that's an impossible burden for them to bear, so they're just dishonest about it. but they can point to no protection that's been rolled back. there is nothing that we've cut back, nothing at all. >> i would like to bring in russell moore, he's president of the ethics and religious liberty commission of the southern baptist convention. and aclu deputy director, louise melling. >> thank you. >> thank you. welcome to you both. mr. moore, let me start with you. it is -- there's an argument to be made that these laws are legalizing the ability of people, using religion to discriminate against lesbians and gays. and obviously,...