carly fiorina's presidential campaign, and we have barry bennett, a former trump adviser and current trump supporter. ladies and gentlemen, good to see you both. sarah, let me start you, how bad has the last week been for donald trump? give a sense of how bad you think it's been, in terms of his electoral prospects? >> yeah, it's been bad. when the election has been about donald trump, he doesn't do well. i think the most telling number, though, are the economy numbers and the latest cnn poll. he was up 15 at the beginning of september. he's now in a virtual tie with hillary clinton, which is a huge swing in who voters trust to handle the economy. i don't necessarily think it was the debate that did it, but it's a sustained look at donald trump we've seen this week, and voters don't like him. when it's about hillary, they don't like her. >> barry, i'm looking at those same numbers sarah just cited. he's down 8 on strong and desize i have leader, he's down six on can better...