trump and the people around trump? how are they going to draw the line? because you now have four individuals, at least, who are under suspicion. whose materials have been subpoenaed. materials being subpoenaed as opposed to individuals hasn't happened in decades in the united states at this level. where will they draw the line? my guess is trump and sessions and those around them would like to see if there's a way to separate them and to create some distance. >> and you would think that as ag sessions said he would recuse himself from being involved in the russia investigation. >> he said he would recuse themselves but then he went ahead and was one of the letters that lead to the firing of attorney general -- fbi director jim comey. and that's not recusing yourself. and so i think that the kind way to say this is the lines are blurred between who is investigating who for what. the unkind way to say it is that they don't intend to stick by those recusal. i think there's some...