the real question is, what do we do about it? what we've done as a country is lead through innovation and technology. as i indicated since the year 2000, a reduction of over 18% in that co2 footprint through hydraulic fracturing, horizontal drilling. you don't hear that from the environmental left. we ought to be exporting that so other nations can get to natural gas. >> the position you laid out is much different than climate change is a hoax by perpetrated by the chinese. >> so humans have a hand in it, and it's difficult to measure how much they've had a hand in it. >> i've said that consistently. >> is that what the president believes? >> the president has indicated the climate is changing. i think you're trying to get away from the merits and demerits of the paris accord. >> not at all. >> no. >> what we've done as a nation to address the co2 footprint, paris has almost become symbolic. it's mostly words. it truly is. this president is about leading with action not words. the...