lawyer that he suspects a colleague named don mcgahn as a couple of documents locked in his safe. he also speculates another white house lawyer could be a mcgahn spy. for more on this, senior fellow at the foreign policy research institute joins me. there's a million places to go with this. first of all, one has to be careful these days. there are people around all the time and the public discourse is very public. but that said, there do seem to be two approaches to how the trump administration or trump's lawyers and associates want to handle the investigation. ty cobb saying put everything out there for scrutiny and don mcgahn thinking otherwise. >> what we're seeing here is the problem when you have too many lawyers in one room. and you have them from different time periods, with different roles. mcgahn has a host of different things to deal with inside the white house. on any given day. and when trump is your borss, yu have most than any other white house counsel. at the same time,...