>> yes, and i think post-charlottesville -- >> whether or not he said it's on all people, it's on both sides after charlottesville. >> right. if one side is the nazis, then there are not very fine people on that side. >> all right, several top democrats calling for the president's censure. this is actually a resolution proposed after the charlottesville incident, but it went nowhere. and censure, just for people that don't necessarily know, it's a public reprimand. it doesn't prevent the president from doing his job. so, what would that mean, if the president were to have a public censure? >> well, you know, i think representative eleanor holmes norton made it clear last night on this network, where she basically said it's not so much to restrict trump's behavior -- trump will be trump -- but it's also to signal to the globe, to the world, what the genuine, the true nature of the country is. that is to say, to say that the house of representatives, the congress rejects this...

joining me now with more is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney in michigan and msnbc news contributor. thank you for joining me this sunday afternoon. very much appreciate it. is it standard for someone like bannon to have an attorney walking into these things? >> i think so. you know, the stakes are very high under these circumstances, and i would think i would want to have an attorney there just to advise him of questions he needs to answer, prepare him for the hearing, advise him when he might want to assert his fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination, if it should come to that. so i don't think we should draw any adverse conclusions from the fact that he is bringing a lawyer with him. >> how much is the attorney going to be involved in the q&a? >> probably little. but again, you know, you've seen these images of a witness at a congressional hearing being asked a question and putting their hand over the microphone and consulting with an attorney. so he could be...