>>> joe watkins, former white house aide to george h.w. bush "the new pc" practical consideration" and rick tyler, former cruz campaign spokesman and co-founder of foundry strategies. with a welcome to all three of you. as always on a regular super busy saturday morning this time, right? i'm going to zerlina first. this government standoff, how much is it about politics versus policy? break that down. >> i think it is mostly about politics. but there are important policies that both sides were negotiating over. we're in a really cynical moment. republicans are trying to say democrats don't want to support chip funding. chip expired three months ago. what was holding up republicans from putting a clean chip bill on the floor. that would have passed easily. nothing. they waited until this moment when there was a crisis that was manufactured by the president by taking away daca and having all of these d.r.e.a.m.ers basically living in limbo.