he's spending a lot of money. the next chart shows the cash-heavy spending by year. look at that spike. boom, it spikes in 2012. 2014 is a little lower. when you look at that and this amount of cash he's spending at a time when no banks were lending to him, does it look to you that he's flush with cash and can't get loans, or what do you see here? >> this is what's so terrific about what my colleague, david fahrenthold has done. it's diving into the weeds of president trump's finances in a way that wasn't done in the run-up to the 2016 campaign. he's now getting the scrutiny now that he should have gotten back then. to answer your question, i have no explanation for that. if you talk to any financier here or any well-healed person in new york city, they will tell you flat out, no bank in this city would loan him, trump, a

paid almost $80 million for large golf courses in scotland and ireland. we have a "washington post" heavy panel. jonathan, this is two and three from our producer here. the great david fahrenthold, his latest piece. he shows the amount of cash spent per transaction by trump since 2006 when his cash bringe started. so he spends on, in 2014, this golf resort in turnberry, scotland, for which he spends more than $60 million, the infamous washington, d.c. hotel he leased in 2012. that's about $40 million. you get the doral resort -- those of us who lived in miami know about the doral golf course. in 2011, a winery in charlottesville, virginia. he's spending a lot of money. the next chart shows the

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renegotiate the debt. that's a smart thing, not a stupid thing. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." over the years donald trump has claimed himself to be the king of debt. in his business dealings, a title that played to his image as the ultimate dealmaker who knew how to leverage debt to expand his family empire. when he wasn't the king of debt, he was instead the king of cash, a self-crowned term he used in 1990 when telling the "wall street journal," quote, there's nobody that has the cash flow i have. i want to be the king of cash. >> which one is it? king of debtor the king of cash? according to a new piece in "the washington post," the latter. the piece revealing, quote, in the nine years before he ran for president, donald trump's company spent more than $400 million in cash on new properties including 14 transactions paid in full without bow rowing from banks. the piece notes the biggest cash bi binge before trump announced running for president when he paid almost $80...