generations on this committee to the time when congressman mike rogers was heading it and its deputy was from maryland, they called people like me down before they took their jobs and we sat down with them and they asked how can we do this in a diplomat way? we told them and they did it. i think most people in the intelligence business would say that was a different leadership a different time. but these leaderships will turn over. so my point is to you, chuck, it has to be fixed. >> there is no doubt. i guess the question is, who does it? you say new leadership has to do it. speaker ryan just isn't going to do it? if they don't do it what happens? >> it is a failure by speaker ryan. this is extremely important to the country it's right to me -- maybe i'm seeing it too close because i am a former intelligence person but it seems to be to be at the heart of our national security because the kinds of things done by the intelligence commune are essential to everything we are doing now,...

addressing the situation but in that i don't want to get into specifics kind of way. listen. >> right now, at this time, there is a deeply serious problem that we see right now within our society. we see moral relativism becoming more and more pervasive in our culture. identity politics, and tribalism have groan on top of this. and on top of that, it has mais all the more prevalent with 21st century technology and then on