from "the new york times" mike schmidt. joyce vance former u.s. attorney now law professor at the university of alabama. david chris, assistant attorney general for national security. and with us at the desk washington lemire for the associated press. joyce, let me start with you you and i talked about this witness tampering investigation or allegations against paul manafort. what does it mean? what are today apartmen's indic against paul manafort and constantine mean for those men and the investigation itself? joyce? joyce, can you hear us? joyce can't hear us. let me ask you to pick up the same question, david chris. what do these charges from -- i'm sorry, against paul manafort mean for the special counsel investigation? >> well, the first thing they mean is that paul manafort is in deep trouble and it's only getting deeper. these two new charges that have been added, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice, are as you