here. quote, mr. manafort remained in contact with mr. kilmnik throughout the presidential campaign when he traveled to the united states to meet with manafort. the men also traded e-mails in which they appeared to discuss ways to use mr. manafort's position on the campaign for financial gain. evelyn farkas, how problematic is that? >> may i say -- i'm not a journalist so i don't have to source all this. i already said months ago i suspect manafort is actually a russian agent because he's refusing to cave. and the only reason you would refuse to cave or one good reason would be that you actually are a russian agent and vladimir putin will get you and so maybe jail is a better alternative. >> better than being in a federal prison.