spent in hanoi in the hanoi hilton during which he was tortured and given the opportunity to leave captivity earlier and he wouldn't do it and it came out. so it was not only the courage, but most of all is this. anyone who had been through that experience for five and a half years, you would expect afterwards to be justifiably angry, they wouldn't be able to operate in life in a way that all of us would like to see. the thing about john mccain was despite that experience this was someone who was gracious, in was someone civil who did have a sense of proportion about life and maybe the best example of that, i think, was as you know andrea and you reported and we've talked about this too, in the 1990s when there was a movement to restore relations with vietnam, another kind of person who had gone through 5 1/2 years in the hanoi hilton would have said absolutely not. i'm a holdout. last country on earth we should restore relations with is vietnam.