mulvaney says soaring u.s. debt isn't holding us back. the deputy whip for the republican congress. tom cole. congressman, i find this especially rich. and you and i may be able to relate on this. because people like me, when i was in congress, was a pain in the ass for people like you. just like mulvaney was a self righteous pain in the ass, just like i was, for people like you, always preaching about how you didn't care about the deficit and the debt and the world was coming to an end. i'm not just mocking mulvaney, i'm mocking myself because that's been my issue. i'm from that wing of the conservative movement. and, you know, not everybody is. i'm just wondering how do you feel watching this flame thrower, this deficit hawk say $22 trillion, eh, maybe it is bad. maybe it is not. who am i to say.