>> the paper adds that trump -- >> okay, that's bad. >> -- lost so much money, he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the ten years they examined. >> he doesn't pay income taxes. >> that's one way to get around taxes. >> you know, wait. this is all so confusing. >> i thought he was so successful. >> i read "the art of the deal" and wanted to get into real estate. as you know,investments. that's why willie and i go to the dog track. >> that's why i handle the checkbook. >> long on the puppies. >> what's so interesting is, and why this actually is news -- republicans go, oh, that's not right. >> case closed. >> case closed. this doesn't mean anything. it actually does. willie, that nbc report from 1 '91, the belief was then that donald trump was flying high in the '80s, then crashed when the economy went down in '90/'91. they thinks went terribly wrong for him. what this "new york times" report shows us is it was ualwas a scam. even in the years leading up to "the art of...