but it by no means affected his feeling for his wife. >> did i want a boyfriend? no. did i want to spend the night with one? did i want to cuddle? did i want to have a candle lit dinner, no, never, never, never, for me, it was strictly sex. it had nothing to do with love or a relationship. >> moreover, michael says his interest in men wasn't exactly hush hush in the family. perhaps kathleen had a hunch. >> this is not a family secret? >> no, it's not. >> was it known to kathleen, michael. >> i think it was one of these things that was not discussed but known. >> don't ask, don't tell. >> yeah. exactly. and of course when i was growing up, there wasn't any don't ask, don't tell, it was don't. period. >> had she known that there were as hookups, how do you think she would have taken it? >> i wish i had told her. i wish we had discussed it. i was afraid, not that she would leave me, she wonlt. she was the most open minded, liberal, intelligent woman. >> as for the other piece of...