question came up at today's white house briefing, should georgia really be allowing hairstylists, tattoo artists, and massage therapists to go back to business considering those three occupations, for starters, depend on close proximi proximity, human-to-human contact? dr. birx when asked about it took a pass. she said she didn't want to pre-judge. the president said he presumes customers will be tested on their way in, and of course the truth is our nation has nothing close to that capacity. dr. birx said she doesn't know if a second wave could be deadlier than this because, quote, she thinks this has been pretty bad. for his part, our president said he sees, quote, a lot of light at the end of the tunnel, and it's getting brighter and brighter every day. he said again today, not everyone wants to do significant testing. he said in some cases, it's not good. he said he really believes, quote, we'll be able to put out the fires if this disease pops up again because he said...

and the next month's rent is coming due. trump organization owns and operates the hotel but it's in a federally owned building, the old post office building. rent goes to the gsa, the general services administration. eric trump, the president's son, tells "the times" the company has asked about possible changes to the terms of the lease, which could include adjustments to future monthly payments. that all creates an interesting situation since the gsa, of course, is part of the administration. with that, let's bring in our leadoff discussion guests on a tuesday night. with that, we welcome to the broadcast jonathan karl, who hasn't been on before because he happens to be chief white house correspondent for abc news and the current president of the white house correspondents association even though the president predicted he'd never make it. he was in today's white house briefing as he is most days. he's the author of a new book you should add to your quarantine reading list as...

trying to do to save lives. >> these are unprecedented burdens on civil liberties right now. the idea that you have to stay in your house is disturbingly close to house arrest. i'm not saying it wasn't justified, but it's very onerous, as is shutting down your livelihood. we're looking carefully at a number of these rules that are being put into place. and if we think one goes too far, we initially try to jawbone the governors into rolling them back or adjusting them. and if they're not and people bring lawsuits, we file statement of interest and side with the plaintiffs.