i started as a teen-ager working for shirley chism's campaign for president, i became 18, the year i could vote. she dreamed of being president and breaking that ceiling. in '84 when jesse jackson ran, he talked about a woman should be on the ticket, he helped set that climate. now to be able to see a black woman on the ticket is historic and it comes in a trajectory of people that came before her and she will live up to those dreams and make america better. i think donald trump, if he thinks this is good for him, the angry white american voter that he thinks is there is there and they're angry at him for putting us in the pandemic. he's right about the anger, he's wrong about what they're angry about. >> let's talk about kamala harris, though. you brought up the debate. let's talk about the fact that a lot of people thought she demagogued the race issue with joe biden.