they won big in 2008 and then take a look at to 2012, black voter turnout increased from 2008 and 2012 in obama's re-election. then take a look at what happened in 2016 with hillary clinton and tim kaine, the turnout rate dropped significantly, to a level that hadn't been seen since 2004, this was a democratic loss, a democratic loss, these were the two democratic victories, the key ingredients to those victories was very strong turnout from african-american voters, you saw this, the national numbers in big states as well, 2008, 2012, black voter turnout when barack obama was the democratic candidate then take a look at what happened in these states in 2016, black voter turnout dropped, it dropped substantially, it plummeted in wisconsin, from 79% to 47%. every single one of these states in 2016 didn't go for the