integrity of the election. and the fact that donald trump lost the election and there was no fraud, there were no irregularities and in fact chris krebs and his teams did their job, of course donald trump's going to fire him. but the firing of chris krebs does not make donald trump a truth teller. in fact, the fraud that's happened on the election process is sitting in the oval office, ali. >> well, look, you've really had a keen eye on this both from your perspective in defense and cia. game this out. what is this all meaning? if you look at the changes in the national security establishment, in the pentagon, is this like that? or is this just petty donald trump being donald trump, you said the wrong thing, you said the things i'm claiming are lies so you've got to go. >> very little practical impact for moving ahead of the federal agency. but i think it sends a broader signal. and of course when the united states tries to stand up for democracy and election integrity around the...