conservatives the and joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are using against the bill stuck in congress. they say if the government puts that much into economy, stuff will cost more. interest rate may also need the increase. this is a lot. it's important to understand. it's the basis of the debate on capitol hill right now and it affects you, joining me now is the former economist for the sec, the securities and exchange commission. she now serves as co-president of alliance partners. that was a lot. tell me what i got wrong or missed. >> well, i think you got everything right. if we can go back one moment. i love the way you described speaking about the debt ceiling. it's so easy to make this ab tract. at the end of the day i find fascinating, at least in the back of my head, there is not this mysterious concept the government is congress. congress controls how much we spendp they have the authority. they control how much we earn as you said taxation.