republican votes in support, and one of whom, adam kinzinger, is retiring from congress. the other, liz cheney, has been disavowed by her state's republican party. susan, can the republican party be savaged? and what should the rest of us be doing while these people hold positions of power in our country? >> well, can it be salvaged, not in its current enforcement it literally needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt. that is the only way you're going to see a principled party come back. and again, we're not talking about -- juanita doesn't have to agree with me on tax policy, but she needs a governing partner or someone who's willing to have a conversation to get things done, and that's where that simply does not exist in leadership in washington or, frankly, in many other places right now. >> when you say burned to the ground, you're talking about