world to intimidate political enemies. joining me now is ben kalisz who covers disinformation in the internet for nbc news. i had never heard of kiwi farms until i saw your tweet thread and i said get this guy on. let our friend tell us. where did kiwi farms come from and what's its relation to 4chan and 8chan? >> josh moon used to work for 8chan and then he did a specific thing with a cry called chris chan, chris chan forum and then moved over to kiwi farms. basically they got tired of stalking and harassing one person and they opened up their playbook to everyone but they have their own set of people they like to stalk and harass and recently it's mostly trans people. try to chase them out of their homes and off the internet. if you have a picture of yourself next to someone, they will try to threaten that person, that someone, not just you. they can find out who your employer s.they will call your employer and tell them that you are a pedophile until you get