applied anywhere. but if you're a prosecutor, how do you look at this theme of drifting and fraud over the course of decades, and in multiple cases? >> yeah, so first, i just want to make a comment about what don junior said, equivocating these judgments to what happens in russia. in russia, they literally execute political opponents. the trumps can't even condemn that. indeed, trump is coming in the court, trying to seek absolute immunity so that he is president could, as he said, allow the execution of his political opponents. and so, to me, the theme, john, is not just fraud, which is a common theme throughout all of these cases. but also this idea of impunity, that he is above the law. he goes into court, he's been saying -- this even before he became president in 2016, he committed various crimes, he said you couldn't prosecute me because i'm no sitting president of the office, and then when he's impeached, says you have to prosecute me, you can't just impeach me. and then when...