of interest. now this case has gone towards was perjury committed by nathan wade and fani willis, and so unfortunately at this point, i think the judge is going to have to address whether or not that has been committed and whether that is enough to be able to take off fani willis from this prosecution. >> all right, so we, again, are watching the lawyers who are there for each of the defense -- for each of the defense teams are there, they're introducing themselves. there's seven defendants there in total, multiple lawyers for many of those defendants. this could be quite a few hours of arguments. lisa rubin is also with us, andrew weissmann is also with us there at the table with me. let's talk quickly about georgia law here and what needs to be proven. an article written by our friend joyce vance and a couple of others talks about how georgia law, georgia law on conflict of interest does not apply here. >> i agree with that, and there's sort of a legal component to this, and there's...