you seemed to lay out a defense for john fein, merrill lynch. >> i didn't own merrill lynch stock but if i had, i think anybody would be defending john fein. there was a man who come in to run merrill lynch for 10 or 11 months. he was completely unemotional. he saw within 24 hours, 48 hours in the famous speech in the middle of september when lehman brothers fell, he saw what was likely to happen unless he took very quick action. and he did the deal bank of ame. >> but you think he saved merrill lynch? >> he did a fantastic job for share holders. he said merrill lynch, unless we do something, the bank will go. >> and paulson actually did everything he could do to save lehman brothers. >> yes, i think when history is