>>> without a public option you lost the real way to get costs down. other ways to reform the insurance industry, whatever that means. holding costs down without a public option, you are not going to do it. so it simply becomes a question of what are we doing here? if we are not going to control costs, we are wasting a once -- once in every 30-year opportunity. >> congressman anthony weiner yesterday, need for public option. with us now republican representative from tennessee, congresswoman marsha blackburn. she is a member of the energy and commerce committee currently overseeing the 1,000-page health care bill. congresswoman, thank for being with us. you suggest the best thing to do with this bill is put it through a shredder. what would you replace it with? >> i would come back and replace it with some of the good options that are out there. we have the shattuck bill, ryan bill. there are plenty of ways we can address the insurance market reforms. joe, as you know, previously...