this is b about strategy. tell robert e. lee, the whole thing about running up the hill into gunfire, bad idea. lee would say, you just hate the south, my friend. this is not about a love of conservativism. this is about being dumb or smart. >> oh, no. >> if you talk to republicans and conservatives who supported ted cruz from the beginning they were banking on the president blinking. they thought since he put a delay on the employer mandate if they pushed him into a corner and got up against the deadline he would back down. he said he won't back down. ron, two weeks from today we hit the debt ceiling. what changes between now and today? if the president won't move and it doesn't look like republicans in the house or ted cruz and his group in the senate will move. now they are talking about attaching entitlement reforms and reforms to the tax code to raising the debt ceiling. what changes in the next two weeks? >> i don't know. i'm afraid they will send us over the cliff. this is not...