up to three point five thousand pounds for every british household per year so who is going to make up that money. well let's be clear we're not talking about europe not trading with them were the u.k. to leave europe there would have to be a negotiation about what sort of trading relationship would continue to exist and there is little doubt that it is in the interests of the states that would remain in europe and the eurozone and germany and france to have good trading relations with the u.k. just as it is in the interest of the u.k. to have good trading relations with the rest of europe the idea that were we to leave the we would then not have trading agreements don't have free trade access not negotiate things that would be in the band of benefit both to europe and to the u.k. but that's just not the case and the germans want to sell us mercedes and b.m.w.'s just as we want to sell things to the germans and the rest of you you so whether we want to stay or to leave there is no...