about the same way to be so that fundamental difference is where he's going to sort of push back i disagree with kirkman i think that sovereign debt does influence the economy i think it does influence investors i think it does influence the way capital is allocated and right now we don't have an economy that's allocating capital towards a robust development of new businesses that are going to be for the twenty first century we're much more focused on how to grow the economy in two thousand and fifteen than we are in thinking about what's necessary for the economy to grow in twenty twenty five and twenty fifty and think why are we in a situation where the fed the e.c.b. the bank japan the bank of england and the swiss national bank have policy rates at or near zero and growth just still isn't taking off is it a case of the wrong tools or are things that bad. well we're in this place because this is how governments decided to respond to the global financial crisis sort of kicked off in...