closed. >> commissioner mazzola. >> thank you. i had a procedural question maybe for melinda or phil or both of you. when these jobs are let out, is there an engineer's estimate and did these two bids come within that range, or is that because of the scope of work here that there wasn't one done? just how does that work? >> excellent. i can take that question, commissioner mazzola. so yes, this is the third project -- third trail improvement project that we've bid line item, and we do that because for the trails projects, in the field, our staff does their best job to anticipate the distances, but it's helpful to have those costs line item so if it's 110 feet instead of 108, we have the pricing there. we did provide an estimate. this estimate came in over bid. however, the trails project prequalifications built in them. so, for example, this park