you are undergoing, this bounceback, whatever you want to call it, bounceback, comeback, resurgence, how do you see that? and is it going the way that you thought it would? you had a serious run since the wrestler, man. you've been running it. >> i had a serious amount of time, 13 years out of work, too. tavis: yeah. >> where after a decade, after several years went by, i thought, i'm not going to get invited to the dance again. after a decade went by, i started thinking, i can't be in this town and feel this kind of shame and humiliation and -- it makes you feel small. you feel insignificant. and it's like people said oh, well, you got hard back in the day. yeah, i got hard but i got hard to cover up, a whole bunch that made me feel small and insignificant when i was little. because it's easy to feel like this. and, you know, than the other way. so like after 10 years or so, went by, i had lost pretty much everything i tried to -- i thought i had or wanted. and there was some --...