and the one thing he had at the same time and didn't see it was networked computers. when he started to build next, he started to recognize that and realize that any knew that's where things were going. i think the combination of open step and that the internet was starting to have a surge enabled him to turn it on. a lot of it is skill. a lot of it is diligence. a lot of it is brilliance and hard work and a lot of it is timing. >> rose: absolutely. life is timing often, as you know in your own life. where did this interest in technology come from? >> i was a biochemical engineering major in college. and in 1997, i went to the university iowa school of engineering, and learned how to program in fortran, which is a very antiquated code at the time. and i sort of-- i appreciated it, and i'd sort of understand the mechanics of engineering, but i had one particular teacher-- and i don't recall his