test takers fared in the first year of the new g.e.d are randy trask, president and c.e.o of the g.e.d testing service. and lecester johnson, c.e.o of academy of hope, an adult charter school in washington d.c. randy trask, is it that the g.e.d. test has gotten harder? >> well first off, thank you for having me. it absolutely is more difficult but really, i think your introduction states it all. it's a high school equivalency test, and our last test serieses was tested on high school graduate of 2001, and to the extent that high school graduates have learned a lot in the last 13 years and they absolutely have this test is undoubtedly harder. >> ifill: lecester johnson what effect does that actually have on people who want to take the test? >> it's much harder for people to pass it. and one of our biggest concerns with the exam is we pushed the bar up on the g.e.d. but we didn't shore up the system where adults are taking classes to study for that exam. >> ifill: what do you mean...