i didn't say he wouldn't. >> the implication is he would not pull the trigger. he was on the program a week ago saying i don't know he would. >> i don't know that he would. you don't know until you're in that position. all i can tell you and the reason i have such admiration for that president. in that room when that decision was being made, the last call -- six of us were meeting for five months before in secret nailing down whether there's a possibility bin laden was there. the president had a roll call. everybody had some maybe yes, maybe no. i think on balance go. the only guy who had to full throat it, full throat it go, mr. president, was leon panetta. i walked out of that meeting, as i usually do. i get to be the last guy with the president. we walked up towards the residence, toward his office. i knew he was going to go. he look at me, and i said, follow your instincts, mr. president. follow your instincts. i wanted him to take one more day to do one more test to see if he was...

quite frankly, i don't see much of a disparticulars beyond that. >> will you come out behind same-sex marriage, the institution of marriage? >> i can't speak to that. i don't know the answer to that. >> it sounds like you'd like to see it happen. >> the president continues to fight, whether it's don't ask don't tell or whether it's making sure across the board that you cannot discriminate. look at the executive orders he's put in place. any hospital that gets federal funding, which is almost all of them. they can't deny a partner from being able to have access to their partner or making a call on whether or not they, you know -- it's just -- this is evolving. by the way, my measure, david, and i take a look at when things really began to change is when the social culture changes. i think "will & grace" did more to educate the american public than anything has done so far. i think people fear that which is different. now they're beginning to understand. they're beginning to understand