there was sort of a leadership by committee on this campaign and you had the chief strategist joel benson essentially demoated, jake sullivan the chief policy guy was essentially elevated to that -- to a de facto chief strategist role. none of this stuff came out during the election. there was a lot of concern on the part of the clinton camp they didn't want it to look like they were unsteady. their -- part of hillary clinton's narrative for better or worse was that she was steady. i think some voters looked at that as her being the status quo but against donald trump whom was a disrupttory an antiestablishment who had three different campaign managers during his campaign, they really didn't want it to get out there this idea the clinton people didn't want it to get out there this idea that she was firing people so they said sort of quietly did >> i think that's one of the things that surprised me most is that the public face or what we saw from this campaign was absolutely the...