it's a gun to your home you're more likely to have a gun used against you have a member of family as in the case and newtown the guns belong to the mother and the son brutally killed his mother and twenty six other people so that having guns makes you less safe and the problem is we this insanity frankly saying we need to arm people to arm first graders arm principals have concealed carry on college campuses i live in san francisco now but any urban city in america get magine if everyone is armed on a subway going to work i mean to be carted left and right it's insanity we need to have less guns i don't think and as far as the second amendment goes let me just specify that yes they have held the right to bear arms but even justice scalia's said that doesn't mean you can have any arms isn't give you the right to have assault weapons and these other military style weapons so the court did not rule on the side of having whatever weapons you want ok roger if you want to reply to that go ahead. blood over sure that that's what the court did rule with respect to what rachel said are you agr

. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. but since when did the gun automatically become a bad word? i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> reporter: it was the classic nra crisis response. no retreat. no surrender. the answer to gun violence is, more guns, lapierre said, and rerailed against the very notion of gun-free school zones. >> they tell every insane killer in america that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk. >> reporter: lapierre really had another mission. blame. it's not guns, he argued, it's -- >> blood-soaked films out there, violent video games. the political class here in washington, d.c., the national media machine. >> the nra has blood on its hands! >> reporter: as he spoke gun control activists that slipped past tight security twice interrupted him. >> nra, stop killing our children! >> reporter: on capitol hill, democrats seeking tougher gun control laws den

and to not get a gun. sure the other way around i would argue and that seems to work pretty well in canada so would that be an issue there would that be so one of the gentle looks at your head are we have we have a we have background checks that are required in all would you let me finish that are required in all but the gun show context and i would be in favor of requiring them in the gun show context too but they are not foolproof you can have people who do have mental problems who have not been adjudicated as such and you're going to have people who are going to slip through that and that's what we have to face up to and besides that there are some civil liberties issues with respect to this and we have to consider those as well scott you wanted to say something about background checks that i don't think we have any as i think this is a civil liberties issue at all no one has first of all we do have background checks but they're not well in force and as roger did say i was glad to hear the plans call th

often criminals get around that by not -- by getting somebody else to buy a gun for them at a gun show or something. are> host: straw purchaser. >> guest: that's another thing that could be changed. just gun shows where you can buy a gun from a private seller without going through the back wasound check system. but all -- it's about 40%, i think, of total gun sales are conducted -- >> host: without a background check. >> guest: ookcause it's a privae sale. >> host: it's important ookcause -- i think when one of the barriers to the discussion is a lot of folks don't know how these laws work, and i try to point out, we don't have that many, quote, gun control laws on the books, other than restrictions on fully automatics. at the federal level. aren't much different. so you have restrd. yk on the fully automatics, the list of purchasers think requirement for the background check by the federally licensed dealeelse that's basically it. and that means that if you're buying from a so-called -- if you're buying from your nde t door neighbor, they don't have to do a background check. >> guest:

a lot of people are allowed to have guns. but i think there's a more deep-rooted thing that needs to be pointed out. and what would cause a young man, like the one that did the shooting, to do what he did? because he was just a regular person, you know? people saw him as a kind person. and just out of nowhere, he just goes and does this. so, i don't think it's so much just the guns. but what is really going on in our society? that's causing young men to do this. >> i think it is a combination of things. i want to thank you both. joslyn and allan. we're going to go to someone now. jacob was a good guy. they were stunned to learn he was the gunman behind the shooting rampage. joining me now is faye. a difficult time for family, for friends. anyone who knew him. by all accounts, he seemed a normal character. and this seems completely out of character. what is your view? >> well, it is a shock. my fiance woke me up this morning and let me know what happened. and it felt like i was being lied to. i didn't believe that jake was capa

guns. why is that? it is and a historical thing. it's part of the hysteria created by the extreme gun rights groups about any kind of gun regulation that is the first step toward seizing your guns and destroying your freedom to own and use firearms. but it's not. it's a sensible, you register cars and they can tell people, too. their primary purpose isn't to tell people unlike it is a primary purpose of handguns. >> host: i've always thought the handgun -- if i'm going to sell my car to my next for neighbor i can't just sell the car to him, he's still got to go through the government of people were to transfer the official title to the car and he has to be licensed driver and they have to be registered. if i get in an accident with the car someone is going to analyze why the accident happened and whether it is eventually whether we need the strict rules on drunk driving or destructive driving or text in driving or were the roads faulty, was the car at fault? those were all things we looked at with auto accidents and going from the in

bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.t trying to stop the bad guy from getting the gun in the first place. that's common sense, most americans agree with it and i just think he's turning people off. that's not where america is at and he's actually helping us. >> senator graham, there are nra supporters, colleagues in the senate who are saying, look, let's not just make this a conversation about kbguns, it's got to be a broader conversation but i heard wayne lapierre say, no, he will not sign on to any new gun legislation. do you believe him? >> i don't think there's anybody in the country that doesn't feel sick in their stomach. i can't imagine a worse situation than getting a call as a parent saying something that happened at school, a shooting or anything else and you go there and your child is killed. so let's just start with that understanding. here's the conversation, we can talk all day long, we had an armed guard in columbine, an assault ban, neither worked. we're talking about preventing mass murder by nontraditio

you went in to buy a gun, and they said, craig, are you a felon? if you said no, you can buy the gun. >> guest: right. the 68 act allowed people to lie and get away with it, absolutely, and that was not changed, actually, until the gravy act when the nics eventually later came into play. >> host: the nra supporting things, the 68 act, prominent republicans supporting it. when did the mind set change and become different here? >> guest: well, interestingly, came as a surprise to me, too, to learn the nra was founded by two "new york times" reporters. >> host: now i know who to blame. >> guest: what they were concerned about was being prepared for national defense like the first world war and making sure that we have enough people in the country who knew how to use firearms that we would not be defeated if it came to a war. >> host: when i grew up, i got the nra badges at summer camp. >> guest: my son got one. >> host: i kept the badges too. it's a point of pride. that was a different nra i think. >> guest: the nra still does a lot of worthwhile train

guns. why is that? it's been a thing. it's part of the hysteria created by the extreme gun rights groups about any gun regulation is the first step toward seizing your guns and destroy your freedom to own and use firearms. while it's not. it's sensible. you register cars. they can kill people too. the primary purpose isn't to kill people i like it is the primary purpose of handguns. >> guest: a lot of people 3 >> guest: a lot of people come if i'm going to sell my car to my next-door neighbor, he still got to go through the governmental paper or transfer the official title of the car. the car has to be registered. if i get in an accident with a car, somebody's going to analyze why the accident happened and eventually do we need stricter rules on drunk driving or distracted driving or texting while driving or maybe worth of a salty, citing faulty, kara faulk? does several things to look at when we look at auto accidents. going from individual responsibility to design of the car decided to rose. with guns there's a congressi

is somebody having a gun in a parked car could save lives because somebody could go loud and gone a gun and prevented the killer from proceeding further. this will not solve everything. have we made our mental health laws too loose? have we made some lost to extreme so we cannot possibly have a weapon? host: we have this tweet from judi bee. guest: well, that may be true. the supreme court has ruled. it will not be overturned any time in our future history saying this is an individual right for self protection. the supreme court disagrees with you. the supreme court has spoken here. host: thomas in colorado. caller: i am a 7-year-old gentleman and i am in the trades -- i am a 70-year-old gentleman. you cannot get into the door unless you put in a code. if that school has a scanner for a weapon and bulletproof glass, that would have solved the problem. we have to do a better job of protecting the kids. host: how much something like that would cost for an individual school and who should pick up the tab? caller: the people who just died and the cities that they ran are over that. it would

being sold but those guns are being sold to a core of the same people overall gun ownership in america is slowly declined within the broader public you have the n.r.a. the lack of of effect. this because of a lot of reasons but one reason is the n.r.a. blindly spends a lot of money they back losers but on the top of that you have the average contribution that the n.r.a. makes is a paltry two thousand five hundred dollars so they're just not as effective as we thought they were remarkable more with happened tony on what our nation does after sandy hook after the break. wealthy british style sun it's time to. market why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike's concert for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to the report. it's. at a welcome back my pappa tonio is here let's get back to it pap it is the supreme court and heller and then later in mcdonald's it just in the last couple of years these the five right wing cranks on the supreme court of found have discovered in this in order to maintain a well regulated militia

being sold but those guns are being sold to a core of the same people overall gun ownership in america is slowly declined within the broader public you have the n.r.a. lack of effectiveness because of a lot of reasons but one reason is the n.r.a. blindly spends a lot of money they back losers but on the top of that you have the average contribution that the n.r.a. makes is a paltry two thousand five hundred dollars so they're just not as effective as we thought they were remarkable more with my cap and tony on what our nation does after sandy hook after the break. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom hartman welcome to the big picture. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call a donor. i'm sorry i'm just a guy who cares an awful lot about what you sir are a fool you know what kind of mind their terrorist cells in your neighborhood all wan

this in a country of hunters and gun lovers. included agreements with state and local governments. since a loss for past, for more than 15 years, there's not been a mass shooting in australia. in a moment we'll be joined by the one who led the campaign to reform australia's gun laws after the massacre. first, to play a clip from 1996 of a man who survived the port arthur massacre and described what he saw. this is peter crosswell speaking from his hospital bed shortly after the attack. >> i walked toward the front door of the restaurant. this guy walked in with long blond hair and a shot dead a guy sitting at the nearest table. it then proceeded to shoot everybody at the table. at that time, i jumped on top of the two women and landed on the floor and told them to lay dead still. i concede guy who walked in -- i could see the guy who walked in with a gun. he proceeded to shoot everyone in the room. he walked through the room past us into the souvenir area. i heard more gunshots. then he came back and shot myself in the two ladie

gun. it is called a default proceed. e silken proceed even though they do not know what the resolution of the investigation is yet. sometimes people who should not get guns -- host: 16.4 million background checks in 2010. less than 1% denied, but 78,000 were denied. john is a gun owner. caller: good morning. with registration, that always gives the government the ability to take your guns, as was seen in england and australia. within a few years after registration, they confiscated all the guns. crime has soared in both places. with the gun dealers, they to keep records. they can be traced three manufacturer. the thing to do there is put the straw buyers in jail. give them a minimum sentence per weapon. make the people responsible for taking these guns and putting them in criminals' hands. put them in jail. i do not think you should restrict firearms sales to law- abiding citizens. guest: you raised an important point about straw buyers. somebody can pass the background check and passed the gun on to somebody who cannot.

gun thing. it is dangerous because a lot of people are allowed to have guns. there is a deep rooted thing which is what would cause a young man to do a shooting like he did. he was a regular person? people saw him as a kind person. out of nowhere, i don't think it was so much just the guns. >> yeah, i think it is a combination of things. i want to thank you both. >> we want to go to somebody who may be able to answer those questions. they were stunned to learn he he was the gunman. a childhood friend of roberts. thank you forginning me. a difficult time for the friends and the family. >> by relative counts, this seems out of character what is your view? >> well, it felt like a shot. you know, my reonsay woke me up this morning and it felt like i was being lied to. i didn't believe that jake was capable of such a thing. we knew him as a kind person. if you were having a bad day he could make you laugh no matter what. there was a suggestion that he had sold his possessions and was planning to move to hawaii. friends said he was acting in a detached curious way. w

guns for america to be able to go back? >> i don't really think so at all. we can make a big dent. i can talk about where i'm from which is massachusetts and we have sensible gun control laws and it's very hard for criminals in massachusetts to get guns from massachusetts and so what they have to do is somebody brings guns in to them from new hampshire and vermont and then south carolina up the iron pipeline. we would do very well in massachusetts if we had a one gun per month law nationally to make it so it's not profitable to bring guns in to the inner city gangs. i think there's lots of things to do. and i just want to mention one thing which gun owners can do. we are trying to push this notion of the 11th commandment of gun safety and what that would say is similar to friends don't let friends drive drunk. we know that when people are going through a bad patch, the last thing they want -- should have available to them is a firearm because firearms really are a risk factor for dying in a suicide. if you're a good friend and somebody's -- wife left them, whatever it is, take it up

don't like guns the people that a lot of the people that don't like guns don't like people who do like there's a lot of that in in the mix in this thing and so like for instance he makes a blackstone well it's not just the republicans who are in with blackstone tony tony james had a big fundraiser for obama it's both parties are involved in this because there are big money and i'm not saying you're completely wrong that there's big money in this why is there big money in this because people want guns they exercise their second member rights they're important to him and we've seen that since this came up with guns and always remember the problem do you see there's something wrong with this being such a big money industry is not in it killing thirty thousand people every year in the country no it's not no first of all the industry is not killing the people they're making a lawful product available and that lawful products some people exercising their rights abuse their rights we see that with all rights and they have used their rights and peo

long gun to -- >> if i have a long gun in my house it's going to glow the gas lines out. >> that's not true. no. you wouldn't want to use a long gun in an apartment building. smoob has a ranch has several acres of land, a long gun could be a very vital defensive firearm for them. >> someone could, but can't a handgun be the same thing or a shotgun do the same thing? something that doesn't fire off multiple rounds and kill masses of people at the same time? >> they all fire the same way. every time you pull a trigger it fires one round. a pistol the same way, a semiautomatic shotgun. >> even with the magazines that can go 10, 20, 30 rounds at a time? >> no, they cannot. a semiautomatic rifle like at ar-15 traditionally has a 30-round magazine. when you pull the trig around hold it down it's only going to fire one round. >> why do you need 30 rounds? what do you need 30 rounds for, unless you want to kill a multiple number of people? >> somebody that's using any weapon, assaulting people who are completely defenseless, it's horrible. but turn those tables around. here

bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.t about trying to stop the bad guy from getting the gun in the first place. that's common sense, most americans agree with it, and i just think he's turning people off. that's not where america is at, and he's actually helping us. >> senator graham, there are nra supporters, colleagues of yours in the senate who are saying, look, let's not just make this a consideration about guns as some would like to do. it's got to be a broader conversation, but i heard wayne lapierre say, no, he will not sign on to a broader legislation if it involves any new gun legislation. do you agree with him? >> well, the first conversation we should have is how heartbroken we are as americans. i don't think there's anybody in this country that doesn't feel sick to their stomach. i can't imagine a worse situation than getting a call as a parent saying there was a school shooting and you go there and your child is killed. let's start with that understanding. here's the conversation. we can talk all day long. h

guns. a republican pollster polls gun owners and nra members and you get from 70% to 90% depending on the commonsense issues we can do to make our country safer. let me give you one example. roughly 40% of guns sold in america are sold in what is called a secondary market, in other words, private sales where there's no federal registration at all. where people with criminal backgrounds -- you could get someone on the terrorist no-fly list who can't get on a plane, but they can go to many of these secondary markets and buy weapons. overwhelmingly, 84% of gun owners in america, 82% of gun members in america, 72% of nra members, believe that should change. changing that alone gives a difference. i'll give you an example how. 1 out of 2 women murdered with a gun are murdered by an intimate, someone they know well. in states that have eliminated the secondary market and don't allow people to trade in private gun sales or the private market, that number dropped by 40% because those people with the

long gun to -- >> if i have a long gun in my house it's going to blow the gas lines out. >> that's not true. no. you wouldn't want to use a long gun in an apartment building. somebody has a ranch has several acres of land, a long gun could be a very vital defensive firearm for them. >> someone could, but can't a handgun be the same thing or a shotgun do the same thing? something that doesn't fire off multiple rounds and kill masses of people at the same time? >> they all fire the same way. every time you pull a trigger it fires one round. a pistol the same way, a semiautomatic shotgun. >> even with the magazines that can go 10, 20, 30 rounds at a time? >> no, they cannot. a semiautomatic rifle like at ar-15 traditionally has a 30-round magazine. when you pull the triger and hold it down it's only going to fire one round. >> why do you need 30 rounds? what do you need 30 rounds for, unless you want to kill a multiple number of people? >> somebody that's using any weapon, assaulting people who are completely defenseless, it's horrible. but turn those tables around. her

with the recent shooting - a re-ignited gun control debate - and a spike in gun sales. asking what, if anything you plan on doing. buying a rifle before a possible ban? getting rid of your weapon if you have one? the poll results later tonight. >>pam: stay with kron-4 as we continue to follow the tragedy in newtown, connecticut. we'll have much more tonight at 5-30. >> in vallejo - two children. a 12- and a 13- year old. arrested, and accused of stealing a rifle. they allegedly took the on irene drive. investigators tell kron4's haaziq madyun. it all led to a very tense situation for law enforcement. >> "it is a dangerous situation, you get a call kids with a gun, you never know what could happen in that incident" >>reporter: two young boys holding a rifle casehere on columbus parkway in vallejo that was the 911 call made to the california highway patrol office monday at around 1:15pmafter this womanspotted two kids acting strange along this hillsideshe asked us not to reveal her identity >> "well i clearly saw that was a rifle case, and the suspiciousness is they were t

you have a permit to own a gun. >> it's a symptom. a greater disease. >> no, you have a permit to own the gun. the government said here, and it's freedom of information. >> would you be comfortable with your address outed? >> my address is. >> how about the writer ares of the journal news? >> the guy who wrote the article revealed he owns a gun. >> look, i'm in the phone book, i'm in the newspaper. i mean, you know the thing is for all of us. >> call me. >> thank you. >> but for all of us, there's a high degree of risk. one thing greg says on the show which is true, we are guarded. what people guard us? that's not the issue. so it's not that i'm anti-second amendment, i'm just saying let's be realistic. there's a public safety issue about people having too easy access to guns. >> you have it backwards. you have it backwards. if you took the whole country and did the same thing on the map of the country, the safest places to win would be the ones with a lot of dots on it, not the ones with no dots on it. >> you are wrong. because you k

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the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. politicians have no business and no authority denying us the right, the ability, and the moral imperative to protect ourselves and our loved ones from harm. i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. this is the time, this is the day for decisive action. >> this is the beginning of a serious conversation. we won't be taking questions today. >>> the friday before christmas and it is a busy day in washington, d.c. the president just made his announcement that senator john kerry of massachusetts is his choice to succeed hillary clinton as secretary of state. but his business yea day started with a moment of silence to remember the victims at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut. from wall street to main street, millions of americans stopped to remember the 20 children whose precious lives were so senselessly cut short in a high-tech hail of bullets. [ bell tolling ] t

license to sell gun but you are a collector of gun you can sell a gun to ericling, antigun control and he doesn't have to go through a background check. that is legal. >> greg: has there been major crimes committed by people who got guns that way? >> juan: i don't know. >> greg: me neither. i want to read this. a lot of celebrities have come out for gun control. jesse james hasn't, motorcycle moge with infamous love life. read a part from the facebook post that struck me that made the point for me. he said the rights to self-protection in the middle of all the death and violence in long beach, california, where he lives, my shop west coast choppers was never robbed or broken in to, in 20 years. it was pretty common knowledge in the neighborhood that i carried, and would defend my business. isn't that the real fact? when people know you have a gun, they have done research on this. celebrities -- i mean criminals are less likely to go to a place where they know it's armed. >> andrea: do you see gun violence in texas? not really. everybody has a gun. i want to mak

the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away or from a minute away? now, i can imagine the headlines, the shocking headlines you will print tomorrow, more guns, you will claim are the nra's answer to everything, your implication will be that guns are evil and have no place in society much less in our schools. since when did the gun automatically become a bad word? a gun in the hands of a secret service agent protecting our president isn't a bad word. a gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the united states of america isn't a bad word. when you hear your glass breaking at 3 a.m. and you call 911, you won't be able to pray hard enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough to protect you. so why is the idea of a gun good when it is used to protect the president of our country or our police but bad when it is used to protect our children in our schools? there are kids. they're our responsibility. it is not duty to protect them

controls in some areas, it's ridiculously easy for someone to purchase a gun online or multiple guns or at a gun show and then those guns wind up in the hands of people in washington, d.c. or new york which may have stricter gun controls but it's so easy to get around the gun controls. you could literally be a felon, walk out of jail, and it would be easy for you to purchase a weapon without any kind of a background check. you could be on a terrorist list, a no-fly lest, and stim acquire a gun in this country. george zimmerman had an arrest record and a restraining order for domestic violence taken out for him in his past. that restraining order had expired. i'm not responding on the whys and where fors that will play out between him and trayvon martin, but what does common sense tell you about the likelihood of that confrontation taking place in the first place if george zimmerman wasn't carrying a gun? >> i couldn't agree more. let's take a break. i want to get into why that imminently sensible analysis is deemed so controversial in america and whether that'

there is a gun culture in the national football league. javon belcher had eight guns. e who say what if cassandkasandra perkins had a g. there are guns at the house. she would have had to have it holstered to have it ready when javon came bursting through the door. nevertheless, terrell suggs had to turn in his guns because of a legal action. nine guns including shotguns and handguns and what not. tank johnson, his were illegal, but he had a virtual munitions plant in his house in chicago. let's use common sense. when tony dungy says when he asked 80 players at training camp, former coach of the colts, how many of you have a gun, and about 65 of them raise their hands, let's use common sense. even if those guns were legally obtained, what do you think over time would be the ratio between unintended and tragic consequences, including accidents, but also including times when people snapped and impulse got in the way, anger got in the way? the ratio of that as versus the times the gun would be used for a good outcome for legitimate self defense. it's common sense to see wh

license to sell gun but you are a collector of gun you can sell a gun to ericling, antigun control and he doesn't have to go through a background check. that is legal. >> greg: has there been major crimes committed by people who got guns that way? >> juan: i don't know. >> greg: me neither. i want to read this. a lot of celebrities have come out for gun control. jesse james hasn't, motorcycle moge with infamous love life. read a part from the facebook post that struck me that made the point for me. he said the rights to self-protection in the middle of all the death and violence in long beach, california, where he lives, my shop west coast choppers was never robbed or broken in to, in 20 years. it was pretty common knowledge in the neighborhood that i carried, and would defend my business. isn't that the real fact? when people know you have a gun, they have done research on this. celebrities -- i mean criminals are less likely to go to a place where they know it's armed. >> andrea: do you see gun violence in texas? not really. everybody has a gun. i want to mak

make it a little bit sweeter to turn in a gun. >> this will not be the last gun buy back. >> but how many times do we do that in a year, gun by backs? >> this was the first gun buy back in some time. we used to do them, if i recall correctly, commander cepb shah when he was here was the last time we did them twice a year. >> well, every community meeting at the bayview station we talked about guns, guns turned in, guns found, guns guns guns. if we were more proactive they'd be getting guns offer the street, we'd get more guns back. i'm sure there's money available for that. it just seems to be common sense. >> i think this is the kind city of san francisco-sfgtv. recreation and park commission meeting. (meeting will commence shortly) just insiste. >> we're back on the record, commissioners. do i have a motion with reference to line item no. 8, which is to vote whether to disclose any or all items. >> move nondisclosure. >> second. >> all in favor. >> before we move into the last item of adjournment, inspector monroe you were going it make an anoupsment regarding the january meetings.

the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> jennifer: but the facts just do bare that out. consider the gabby giffords shooting. an armedman was there and afterwards he tells reporters this. >> i carry a weapon and when i heard gunfire i ran out and i would have shot him. >> jennifer: the man he thought was the shooter was not actually the shooter, it was another man who wrestled the gun away from the shooter. here is what he had to say about that. >> i want to say it was a matter of seconds, two maybe three seconds, between when i came through the doorway and holding jared down. so i was really lucky. >> jennifer: he was lucky. so was the man he almost killed. simply put, relying on armed citizens to keep us safe it just doesn't work. according to mother jones there have been 62 mass shootingings in the last decade. not one has been stopped by a good guy returning fire. in cases where civils did try to fight back two were gravely injured or killed. mutually assured destruction just doesn't work that well with suicidal maniacs, so we need to find another way