there's been a days between the president and a.g. barr. it'sinteresting because barr is his favorite cabinetber. he handled the mueller probe. 's repeated dwhaun t president has wanted. this is the first tangible riff that we'vseen between theseen two robert: you just said that president trump spokeith the attorney gideral today on ay. what do you know about that conversation? >> we're still tryg to figure out all the details. what we know is that attorney general barr has been trying to communicate with the president, please stop tweeting. please stop making these public comments about d.o.j. probes. these comments are not help to feel you, they're not helpful to me. can you please step down? we know that he wanted mccabe we know he wanted james comey charged. we know there's been a number of disagreements between these two men. and that barr hasried to get some distance from the president. rt: you've been talking to former federal prosecutors all week on the newshour. what does your reporting tell you that how former officials at the d.o

>> first of all, it's worth noting how extraordinary it is that a.g. barr to go on public television to deliver this message that josh was deliver blind the scenes. o we know they're very, very the fact that he had to go to that extreme show where is the relationship is. bu we know that there was a fallout. he was always trying to contain. he stepped over the line's prosecutor recommendation on sentence. 's he came in and said that's too excessive. ave no idea where that's going land that upset a lot of people. rank-and-file prosecutors within the d.o.j. even though it's totally legal and within his power and per strew d so, it is totally unusual. it's very, very rare that that kind of thi happens. and for a lot of line prosecutors that undermines their ability to move fward for similar cases. why would you stick your neck out there? it sent a huge signo a.g. barr and he had to publicly go out and make that statement. robert: what's your read as a o report the attorney general? he is at one level sending these messages.o the preside but it was still reporte

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>> i think that a.g. barr'spective of the president's opinion on it. i don't think the president did himself any favors offering the opinion, barr's decision to intervene with extreme recommendation was appropriate. that does happen in certain cases. the question you have, did prosecutors run this recommendation all the way up the flag pole to the d.o.j. before they offered that? these are just recommendations from the prosecutors, just d.o.j. employees offering their opinion of the case. and from what it looks like, they are claiming barr's interference was political, but it seems the first offering of the sentence recommendation was more political than anything else. >> neil: you think it was a setup on their part? >> i think it very well could have been a calculated decision to offer this extreme sentence recommendation, in my opinion, and in a.g. barr's opinion and have the reaction they did to claim some conspiracy. but i really don't see it that way, i don't think a.g. barr was acting because the president

reporter: a.g. barr, his role in the -- [indiscernible] -- coming before the house --, as far as what the president did, do you think the president should have sent that tweet and is he interfering in a case involving a friend of his who is indicted for things relating to him? mr. mccarthy: the answer to your question is, no, the president is not interfering. if you listen to the department of justice, they made the decision before the tweet ever went out. the attorney general barr is coming before the committee as well. but there's no issue here. it's just like everything else that the democrats went to play. they do not have facts. all they have is a mission to impeach. and this is all they continue to drive. when the rest of america would like to move on from their nightmares they put us through, and let's start working on issues that america cares most about. reporter: if democrats nominated a democratic socialist bernie sanders as their presidential nominee, will they lose the house? mr. mccarthy: i

a.g. bill barr will be testifying on march 31st.to impeach bill barr. finish what specifically are you and your colleagues trying to solicit from bill barr? >> well, i want to know why bruce ohr is still working at the department of justice, again, getting back to the point that i think we've got a lot of the new senior leadership in place to disengage from politics. i think the mainstream media has cast this incorrectly. they would suggest that bill barr has infected the front-line prosecution teams with politics when the reality is they were engaging in, i think, political retribution against roger stone, michael flynn and maybe to some extent george papadopoulos as well. i think barr has reoriented those front-line prosecutors to the overall goals of the administration, and that's entirely appropriate because if they're all members of the executive branch. and i think we'll see that in the questioning. what democrats will do, maria, is try to showcase some white house connection to the decisions being made. but if anything, the d

a.g. barr. this does not mean i do not have, as president, the legal right to do so. i do but have so far chosen not to. barr, who marks one year on the job, is under fire for his decision to reverse a sentencing recommendation for convicted trump ally roger stone. the decision was announced shortly after the president criticized the recommended federal sentence of seven to nine years. tonight "the washington post" reports roger stone has requested a new trial a day after trump accused the jury forewoman of bias. interestingly, barr tells abc news he was all for stone's prosecution. >> i supported it. i think it was established he was convicted of obstructing congress and witness tampering, and i thought that was a righteous prosecution, and i was happy that he was convicted. >> nonetheless, there are now at least nine senate democrats calling on barr to resign. they're accusing him of lying to congress when, during his confirmation hearing, he pledged to keep the law enforcement process free from political influence. one former federal prosecutor and u.s. attorney who

a.g. barr has deeply damaged the rule of law by withdrawing the d.o.j. sentencing recommendation, the act of interference in trump's retribution against lead ttorney in the stone case. imagine the four of the prosecutors separated themselves from the case when the president did that. just days after firing lieutenant colonel vindman for speaking truth to power. this still must be investigated. the american people must have confidence in our nation's system of impartial justice. with withdrawal of the four prosecutors, the case, what an act of courage on their part, it must be commended. but the actions of the justice department -- the justice department has this -- should have this -- so apolitical, so above the political fray that people have confidence in the rule of law in our country. the attorney general has stooped to such levels, he's lied to congress, for which he will be in contempt. he has engaged in these ctivities. what a sad disappointment to our country. the american people deserve better. we are leaving now for a district work period. we'r

a.g. barr should be asking hum self the same question.e just installed an outside prosecutor to review the case against michael flynn. he doesn't trust his own investigator. it's time the swample really and truly be drained. that's tonight's intel. kt mcfarland, good to see you tonight. does this seem fair to you. >> no. i was in the middle of all this. i was general flynn's deputy. general flynn was set up by the same people who are now being somebody like mccabe, perhaps brennan, who knows. but the real thing to watch is the fact that as you just pointed out, attorney general barr doesn't trust his own justice department enough to give a fair assessment of what happened with flynn. he has taken an outside counsel to review. the durham report, john durham is looking at the orjifnt investigators. what were they trying to do? were they setting up flynn? were they setting up trump? were they setting up all the people around trump? if so who did it and why did they do it. that one maybe happens this summer. that could shake the intelligence

a.g. barrave public statements and tweets about the department, about people in the department, our men and women here, about cases pending in the rtment, and about judges before whom we have cases,h, make it impossible for me to do my job and to assure the courts and the prosecors and the department that we are doing our work with integrity. ros: the center of this particular political maelstrom is ts man. pthis is roger stone,resident trump's friend, former advisor p vihe had been ced of lying to congress and witness tampering. he is risk -- he is awaiting sentencing. the president was furious about the whole thing, saying "this is e a horrid very unfair situation. the real crimes," he says," were the other side, suggesting the crimes roger stone has committed are not real crimes, and he put pressure on the partment of justice to look at the situation hloe the doj did at the sentencing guidelines, proposed shorter sentences. then four prosecutors on the case stood down in response, o tment en

lou: it stuns me that a.g. barr is hesitant as he put it.e has very lit toll show the american people after a year as attorney general. what is he part of the problem now, whether it's fisa abuses or general political corruption throughout the top of the fbi and the justice department? >> i don't think so. i was disappointed on the mccabe issue. i think he should have been charged. lou: so did the inspector general. >> that would have sent a message to the american people that we can't lie to the fbi or law enforcement. all those folks are gone. we have mr. durham out there who is looking at this. and he did take it to the farther step of including the intelligence community in that investigation. i'm anxious to look at what's happening there. >> at what point do we say there is a problem. we are supposed to have a report as you well know. we still don't have any resolution on fisa. instead we are getting noises like i'm hesitant when it's clear and plain as it can be that we have a tremendous problem in the fisa courts as you have documente

a.g. barr should be asking hum self the same question.e just installed an outside prosecutor to review the case against michael flynn. he doesn't trust his own investigator. it's time the swample really and truly be drained. that's tonight's intel. kt mcfarland, good to see you tonight. does this seem fair to you. >> no. i was in the middle of all this. i was general flynn's deputy. general flynn was set up by the same people who are now being somebody like mccabe, perhaps brennan, who knows. but the real thing to watch is the fact that as you just pointed out, attorney general barr doesn't trust his own justice department enough to give a fair assessment of what happened with flynn. he has taken an outside counsel to review. the durham report, john durham is looking at the orjifnt investigators. what were they trying to do? were they setting up flynn? were they setting up trump? were they setting up all the people around trump? if so who did it and why did they do it. that one maybe happens this summer. that could shake the intelligence

trump called that recommendation a, quote, miscarriage of justice, but the president's tweet about a.g. barr

this is coming after impeachment after the roger stone decision, the same way we hear a.g. barr is examining the flynn case and stop tweeting because he's undermining his position as the attorney general. what do you think of the timing? >> it's really concerning. it's hard to define partially because there are so many things happening in the same very compressed time period. there's no question the president has been on this kind of, you know, tour of retribution following his impeachment acquittal. as soon as i saw that happening to colonel vind land and his brother and ambassador sondland, i knew things would probably heat up for me. i was buckled in ready for bad things to happen to me. but clearly there has been a lot of turmoil invoked within the justice department over the decision to retract the original recommendation in the roger stone sentencing and i -- you know, it certainly seems like the attorney general is in a position to want to kind of calm some of that down certainly with his statements to abc news was an attempt to do that. whether or not announcing this dec

trish: his twitter account is under fire especially with everything going on with a.g. barr. a conduit with which he can speak directly to the american people. remember when alt-left msnbc host rachel maddow hit ratings goals by duping her awed cents nothing bigger on trump's tax return? shoe donald trump's tax returns. these two pages. these pages, these pages. the return. 2000 the two pages that we have here. we obtained this. trish: it's just awful. tonight maddow is hallucinating again. we'll talk full-on anti-trump vertigo. my reaction. but first the conservative whose life was threatened by a crazy liberal protester is here tonight. trish: john dennis is in the house. he's telling us his story right after this. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it - with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. be

the president saying he has the legal right to intervene in any criminal case after a.g. barrsecutor to review the case of michael flynn and the doj pushed for a lesser sentence in the case of roger stone. several are calling on the a.g. to resign. michael avenatti found guilty in the case involving nike. the jury found that he tried to extort nike for millions. he's facing 42 years in prison. judge jeanine: president trump and presidential hopeful michael bloomberg battling it out in a twitter feud. now there is a report he could be trying to recruit hillary clinton as a running mate. really, mike? let's ask my panel, lisa boothe and chris hahn. what we have got here is michael bloomberg talking about bringing on hillary clinton as a possible running mate. what do you think the chance of that are. >> i think the chances are zero. whoever the democratic nominee is, their running mate will have to be a big part of how they unify the different parts of the party. bloomberg and hillary are from the same part of the party. bernie sanders is more likely to choose hillary clinton th

a.g. barr sat down last night with justice correspondent pierre thomas of abc. it's really interesting because he tells the whole story. because the way it looks to a lot of people is that a.g. barr caved to the president's tweets. but when you listen to the attorney general himself, he had already made up his mind that the u.s. attorney from d.c., the 7 to 9 years too much. he was going to clarify his position but then the president came out, listen to the attorney general and that is going to probably change your view of what has been said. >> the team very much wanted to recommend the 7 to 9 year to the judge. and but he thought that there was a way of satisfying everybody and providing more flexibility and there was a brief discussion of that i was under the impression that what was going to happen was very much that i had suggested which was deferring to the judge and then pointing out various factors and circumstances. when i first saw the news reports. i said gee, the news is spinning. this this is not what we were going to do. >> so you were surprised. >

should considering the malice and, you know, the lies that were told by that juror, he should -- a.g. barr should have it outside of washington d.c. there's no chance that he gets a fail trial in d.c. give him a fighting chance. have the trial outside of d.c. let me tell you something, tucker. tamika hart, the juror that was a lieutenant in the resistance that managed to make herself the foreperson, it's reported by people that were in the trial today that she was outside the building at the courthouse today trying to figure out whether she wanted to go in or not. she was sighted out there when people recognized her, she ran off. this is a toxic place, washington d.c. there's not a chance that any of us would get a fair shot, not you or me. that's why we're asking people to sign the petition at freerogerstone.com and ask for a pardon immediately. >> tucker: i've never seen anything like this in my life. i wish i haven't learned as much about it. it's shaken my faith. i know you feel the same. thanks. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: dave portnoy watched last night.he joins us in just a moment

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are we going to get clarity in a.g. barr. >> look at what they have done to carter page. they spied on him. they falsified a fisa application to spy own carter page. he said plead guilty and we won't prosecute you. they never filed a charge against him but they probably ruined his life. they went after him with the full weight of the government. dr. jerome corsi, mike flynn, paul manafort. this is what happens if you support donald trump. they come after you and use their bangs and guns to do it. trish: coming up tonight. violence against conservatives continue across america. i wonder where it's coming from. >> you cannot be civil. >> get up in the face of some congress people. >> when they go low, we kick them. >> you tell them they are not welcome. trish: a conservative challenger to nancy pelosi, his life threatened by a violent liberal protester. all of it caught on tape. trish: we'll show you the entire disturbing exchange. also tonight. when did the liberal media fall in love with hawkish conservative john bolton. >> we often use the term bombshell, and this is ano

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well, "the new york times" is reporting that a.g. barr did give the president a heads o up on what he planned to say. joining us now we have jeffrey toobin, carrie cordero, and david chime. great to have you all. bill barr's statement is certainly interesting. it was interesting to hear him speak out against the president because it is so rare. you also say some of what he didn't say was interesting. in other words, why did he feel compelled to intervene in the roger stone sentencing? >> right. but, let's be fair and say that the attorney general was right. it does make it impossible for him to do his job in a appropriate way with the president injecting comments about individual cases like this. however, i mean, there are still a lot of unanswered questions about how the justice department works. and why, for example, just to pick one question, why did the justice department decide to inject itself at the top level in this sentencing as opposed to any of the thousands that go on every year in american courtrooms. that's a question we nee

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he said the president has never asked me to do anything in a criminal case, a.g. barr, this doesn't mean i does not have president the legal right to do so. i do, but i have so far chosen not to. he says he hasn't influenced criminal cases, but he could that's what he's saying. >> well, first of all he hasn't spoken to anyone when we see these 1:00 a.m. tweets, i mean he must not be able to read them of course. but the idea the president has absolute right is belied by the constitution. he keeps referencing article 2, and that takes full faith to execute to law. that doesn't give him absolute authority over the department of justice. he cannot undermine the bill of rights, due process, someone's first amendment rights to be able to associate or be part of a political party or speak their mind. and he cannot put his thumb on the scale in the future in favor of favoritism. he has to actually enforce the laws as they are written. so as the president says i could certainly go about and talk about the enforcement objectives or the enforcement priorities, but he cannot go ar

this is coming after impeachment, after the roger stone decision the same day we heard a.g. barr is re-examining the flynn case and that he's telling the president to stop tweeting because he's undermining his position as the attorney general, what do you think of the timing of all this? >> it's really concerning. it's hard to divine, partially because there are so many things happening in the same very compressed time period. i mean, there's no question the president has been on this kind of, you know, tour of retribution following his impeachment acquittal. and as soon as i saw that happening to colonel vindman and to his brother and to ambassador sondland i knew that things would heat up for me so i was kind of buckled in, and getting ready for bad news to begin with. but there is clearly -- there's been a lot of turmoil provoked within the justice department over the decision to retract the original recommendation in the roger stone sentencing. and, you know, i -- it certainly seems like the attorney general is in a position to want to kind of calm some of that down, certainl

instead what we're going to see a.g. barr do is the president's dirty work. we're going to hear this right up to the election. he'll pull it out of his pocket when he needs t. you'll see a low-level attorney who fudged an email in a fisa on carter page not connected to the special counsel, let's get him indicted if he needs to be indicted. i'll condemn him. but let's do it and move on. >> some days are more challenging than others. this was one of those days, and our thanks go out to frank figliuzzi, to anita kumar, and to peter baker. after the day we've just had. coming up for us, we still don't have a winner of the iowa caucuses, but we do have new polling released just moments ago about the next one, the approaching first primary. and later, as impeachment ends, now it's the republicans' turn to launch investigations into all things biden related. and so it goes, "the 11th hour" just getting started on a thursday night. >>> we've got enough of iowa. i think we should move on to new hampshire. and it is really sad that the democratic party of iowa, if i ma

the president has full faith and confidence in a.g. barr to do his job and uphold the law." the white house denial is not going to matter to democrats. they are still going to try to use the stone case to make up for their embarrassing impeachment failure. >> something egregious like this demands that the inspector general investigate. >> what barr has done means we are demanding a resignation, and then the house should start impeachment proceedings against him. >> attorney general william barr ought to be ashamed and embarrassed, and resign. >> laura: and the media playing right along. >> almost every big decision that is coming to the justice department now has to be sent to the white house and checked out with the president, and then do the president's bidding. we didn't see that in watergate. this is why this is more sinister. >> laura: it always goes back to being more sinister than watergate. they just have stock phrases they pull off-the-shelf and spit them out on tv. joining me now, john eastman senior fellow, constitutional scholar and darrell issa, former chair of

a.g. barr has deeply damaged the rule of law by withdrawing the doj's sentencing recommendation. d. >> ed: how do you respond to the speaker? >> the speaker loves to criticize general barr loves to double down on criticism of president trump. she has been consistent in both of those things. here is the interesting thing is as she looks at it and we are talking about the rule of law. what about the fisa abuse and the hearings that should come out of that? what about what we have had with inspector general horowitz? there is not a single hearing on capitol hill. they turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to all of that. so if we want to get to the bottom of it and help ag barr actually restore confidence. let's actually do that and start getting to the bottom of what went wrong with all the fisa abuse. >> ed: to your point john durham as you know u.s. attorney from connecticut is taking a look at all of that. we will see what he does and does not do in the months ahead. in the meantime, last question. it's not just speaker pelosi pressuring the president. john kelly, as you know, his form

he's saying on twitter essentially that a.g. barr has done his bidding. so even if you believe that the justice department made this decision to change the sentence for stone without the president's interference, it is very difficult to believe it because of the way that bill barr is being treated by the president in public. also for people inside of the department, for prosecutors, they had avoided a lot of the politicization of the department. they weren't arguing cases for the white house in court. they weren't working in the civil rights division. they were just bringing regular cases forward. and now there's a fear that if they work on something that could catch the president's eye that it will be a problem for them in the future. and then lastly, there is a growing sense that maybe the attorney general, who many people in the department have long respected, might not have their backs. and we're seeing this in two ways. after the president said this about bob mueller, said that he was guilty of a chargeable offense, nobody from the department came ou

i mean, when a.g. barrd the president is making it impossible for me to do my job, what he meant was, mr. president, you're blowing my cover. don't call attention to what i'm doing. and when i was a criminal, and steve trot and lowell jensen were my superiors, all career prosecutors, long time prosecutors, there was sort of an infor thattal death penalty for anyone who interfered with the u.s. attorney's office in the field, doing what they thought had to be done. that was a golden era of law enforcement. and the president and his attorney general who auditioned for the job are trashing that entire tradition. and with it goes the rule of law and the idea of a government of laws and not have men and women. >> and i remind everybody, you are a republican. everybody we've had on here who is a former department of justice employee has the same thing to say. that there have always been pressures, political pressures, white houses which wanted the attorney general and the justice department to do certain things.

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. >> a.g. barr has deeply damaged the rule of law by withdrawing the doj sentencing recommendation. what a sad disappointment to our country. >> the nation now looks again to chief justice roberts to make clear to president trump that these attacks are unacceptable. >> that's just some of the condemnation from top democrats. let's be clear mr. barr has not changed a thing about the intervention in roger stone's case. he has not changed the results, the substance. it is news worthy but he is only doing so about the tweets. you might paraphrase mr. trump as sayinl e political intervent in the justice department that even my own conservative colleagues say is wrong. i just wish donald trump wasn't tweeting about what we were up to. the donald trump said, it was the disgraced and disbarred mafia lawyer so known for breaking rules. and critics say that's what he's getting with bill barr who is now interfering to change the criminal case, the way it will be resolved with one of donald trump's allies. it is not clear if what he's doing cuts against all rules, norms and requirements at the

trump called that recommendation a, quote, miscarriage of justice, but the president's tweet about a.g. barr doesn't quite match up with his denial of any personal involvement in stone's case less than 24 hours ago. >> no, i didn't speak to -- i'd be able to do it if i wanted. i have the absolute right to do it. i stay out of things to a trdege that people wouldn't believe. i didn't speak to him. i thought the recommendation was ridiculous. i thought the whole prosecution was ridiculous. i look at others who haven't been prosecutored. i don't know where it is now. when you see that, i thought it was an insult to our country. >> and while president trump is congratulating the attorney general, he is attacking amy berman jackson. she's the judge presiding over roger stone's case. it's judge jackson who also handled the case of paul manafort. let's go straight to the white house and kaitlan collins, she's in the midst of all of this. we also know that the president pulled the treasury nomination of a former u.s. attorney who oversaw the roger stone prosecution. you tell me, what's going on? >>

people in the justice department and said what is the hypothetical, if president trump calls up a.g. barrnd said change the sentencing for my friend, is that illegal and both of them said no. all of them said no. >> how powerful do they think they are theoretically? could the president say let that guy go, he's a pal of mine? it sounds like he could do that. >> it sounds like my reporting and conversations that that is legal but the issue is norms and traditions, in america most times presidents said there needs needs to distance between me and the justice department and now wee see a president emboldened after being acquitted of being impeached and a republican party given him the go-ahead to do things he's done with ukraine and china and he feels emboldened to say i could tweet about this if i want to. obviously you see bill barr saying let's keep this lower than twitter. >> and now to what is the president's m.o. beyond some constitutional theory that the president could tell the doj whatever to do. justin amash, a former republican turned independent member of congress, criticized tru

president the benefit of the doubt about telling the truth that he didn't have any influence over a.g. barr and i don't know why we would believe the a.g. if he said he had no influence. remember how he hamana-hamana-hamana'd through the question with kamala harris about anything suggesting -- >> said i'm grappling with the word, "suggest." pretty simple english word. don't know why you have to grapple with that. i'm going to repeat the same thing over and over and over again. it should not be the case that the president of the united states can single out individual citizens for prosecution or for leniency. that is the end of rule law in this country. every senator needs to understand that. it's as simple as that the. you can say it over and over again until people understand that's what's at stake here. we've been talking for three years about investigations of the president and abuse of power by the president. some people don't think it happens. some people think it did. with the mueller investigation, with the impeachment inquiry, you know, i personally feel and a lot of people i've spo

ben, what does it say to you about a.g. barr'sity, his feeling that he could go out and do something like this, the doj could do something like this? normally you don't want to have a perception of a conflict of interest, you don't want a perception of things looking like they are political. normally that is a big no-no. why would he feel it's okay to do it now? >> look, in fairness to barr, he is wedged between two very -- he's wedged in a tight spot. on the one hand he has the whole expectations and traditions of the justice department and on the other hand he has this immovable object named donald trump, right? and donald trump expects him to protect him, he expects him to advantage his friends and punish his enemies, he expects him to intervene actively to be his guy, his roy cohn. he's not subtle about it. he talks about it all the time in public and he lays out what he expects. and so for barr to -- you know, he's got a conflict of interest in almost any way he behaves. typically the way you deal with that, there is no typic