abad abad was 162 miles there, but the complexity of the mission we have done and both in iraq and afghanistan much more complex missions. the real credit in the bin laden raid goes, as i said before, to the president, his national security team and the central intelligence agency and the national security agency and those in the intelligence agency that located the compound and the president making the tough decisions for us to go do the mission. i am very proud of my guys. i think they did a marvelous job, but this mission was something that we had been trained and, obviously, all of these seals were hand-picked to do the job and they had been on many missions before. i won't call it routine. nothing about it was routine, but it was not the hardest part of the bin laden raid. the hardest part was the decision by the president and the intel community -- >> rose: and the day the helicopters lifted off, they did not know if he was there. >> no, we did not. this was part of the intel buildup. we were trying to figure out whether or not -- >> rose: hadn't been confirmed? >> right. there were arguments on both sides as to whether or not it was bin laden. so we split it down the middle and thought it was a 50/50 chance. the president called me on friday. we had thought about doing the mission on saturday, but we had weather in a couple of the valleys so i elected to roll the mission 24 hours. friday he called me in afghanistan, said what do you think, i told him 50/50 and said we'll get him if he's there and if not we'll come home. >> rose: is that what you told him, that's what we do, ride a helicopter, go somewhere, get people and come back. >> if you look at the profile in afghanistan and to a lesser degree iraq, but afghanistan because of the distances, most of our missions were seals, delta operators, rangers, special forces, getting in helicopters, going to the target, patrolling the target, taking care of business, getting on helicopters and coming back. so the profile for the bin laden raid wasn't a lot different, just the distances were further. >> rose: we remember and note how dangerous it is because we recently saw the loss of a member of delta force in the rescue of some hostages held by i.s.i.s. >> absolutely. i mean, every mission has its risks. i mean, the training missions we do are very realistic. so whenever you are training as a special operate around i'd say it's true in the infantry and the marine corps, the risk is always high and potential for loss of life is out there. in a combat situation where the enemy gets a vote and you can get into a gun fight, the risk rises exponegligencely but we're well trained and deal with the situations. >> rose: the enemy gets a vote. >> they're part of the calculations, that's right. >> rose: what remains to be told about that mission? >> not much. >> rose: that's the point i'm asking. >> absolutely. you know, you've seen the recent article in the "times" magazine. >> rose: the "times" today or yesterday about the four lawyers looking at that operation. >> and certainly that's an aspect of the mission that is interesting. but in terms of the tactical aspects of the mission, there is nothing left to be told. the way it has been portrayed and provided in terms of the books that are out there and the movies are pretty close to reality. what i can tell you is we got approval to go do the mission. we got on the helicopters, made the transit through abad abad, raided the compound, got his remains, transported the body to the arabian gulf and buried him in accordance with islamic tradition and that's where he lays today. that's the story and nothing else. >> rose: when people raise these questions, what do you think? >> i'm baffled, absolutely. some of the accusations are bizarre, and, you know, i don't even know where to take it. you know, when they talk about the seals were cutting off body parts and throwing them off helicopters, you begin to ask yourself who does he think these soldiers and seals are? this is not the way we treat anybody. there is sort of a moon landing conspiracy about the way he portrayed this. it was a straightforward mission authorized by the president of the united states and, again, unfortunately today, there really isn't anything left to tell about the mission but they continue to rehash it a lot. >> rose: but you were not happy those stories got out. >> you know, i wasn't happy but, frankly, i think in ligh