dr abdullah abdullah, hamid karzai and many _ it? dr abdullahd many other _ karzai and many other politicians who belong to the republic decided to stay in kabul, when ashraf ghani left, and they became a bridge between social groups, and the taliban. it started out about safety and security and it is getting into different effects. it will be interesting to see what the taliban is going to put on the table and how others will react. is it going to be inclusive enough? will it be acceptable and embrace all of society? 0r acceptable and embrace all of society? or is it going to be a 2—stage approach where on one hand you have a transition system and on the other hand you work with others to order. all of this is been discussed right now and the hope is that they realise there is difference in afghanistan but i'd only go so far than action and deeds. i'd only go so far than action and deede— i'd only go so far than action and deeds. , , , and deeds. the message seems fairly clear _ and deeds. the message seems fairly clear that _ and deeds. the me

abdullah abdullah — they were here when kabul fell to them — i have been a bit reassuring. well, let's talk about the practicalities. as you speak to me, are there taliban guards outside your home, your compound? i keep my own guards, and the taliban are ok with that. i don't have taliban guards. you see, that's interesting because hamid karzai, whom you just referenced, the former president of afghanistan, he also seemed confident that he would be talking to senior taliban, that he would be part of a political process. then it turned out, a few days later, the taliban guards moved into his house, and, as i understand it, he moved to another house that of abdullahh, for safety. so you can't really be sure, can you? actually, that was not accurate. his family remained in the same compound from the very start and he moved into dr abdullah�*s compound so that they could closely co—ordinate, and it's been about four days or three days that the former president karzai has moved back to his own residence and his former guards are his current guards as well. so what you read in the paper was not entirely accurate. see, ijust wonder whether you're being a little bit naive. when you gave an interview to tolonews tv just a few days ago and you said, "i've met key taliban leaders, i see "that they are in pursuit of peace. "there's a big difference between the current taliban "and those who governed 20 years ago. "their attitude has changed entirely. "now they are open—minded." are you really sure about that? well, it's a close translation of what you did, but not exactly what you translated, but it's not the past one, two weeks that i've been engaging wit

quite but the message seems fairly clear that the likes of dr abdullah abdullah and maybe hamid karzaig some sort of influential role within that government. can i just ask you, and presumably they are pushing the importance of maintaining the role of women as they stand in afghanistan today? yes, of course. one of the topics, one of the main issues that has been part of the discussions, will be part of the discussions has to do with with gendered rights, has to do with certain liberties, such as media rights, freedom of expression, some gains of the last few years in afghanistan. all of those have to be on the table, have to be discussed, and they have to come up with a solution that works for all afghans. right, and that's a good point and it would have to work from the taliban's perspective as well as the others. i've got one last thing i did want to ask you. joe biden has been pretty firm up till now about august 31st as the deadline. now, a little bit of room for manoeuvre that perhaps it could be extended but can you see a situation in which the taliban would accept that? so far

abdullah abdullah, the head of the conciliation, in the peace talks in doha, he has given a message on facebook saying the ex—president has left the country, and that that means president ashraf ghani has left the country. that is what we understand, with tullow news, a respectable tv channel in afghanistan, saying that ashraf ghani with his talk team has left the country. so we are getting from two different sources, we have not heard anything from the palace about it, but it is coming from mr abdullahof the negotiations with what is going on in doha. so it looks like this is probably, that we do not know if he has resigned, still, to his left, but all we know is that calling —— according to mr abdullah, mr ghani has left the country. it is according to mr abdullah, mr ghani has left the country.— has left the country. it is only the one day since _ has left the country. it is only the one day since ashraf— has left the country. it is only the one day since ashraf ghani - has left the country. it is only the one day since ashraf ghani told . has left the country. it is only the i one day since ashraf ghani told the people of afghanistan where we will ensure your security, my priority is to re—mobilise the military to mobilise the country and defend the country because it had a this will be shocking for the people afghanistan, even the people of kabul, because there were chaotic scenes where people were worried about their future, scenes where people were worried about theirfuture, i

abdullah, who was— doha by doctor abdullah abdullah has been with— government with ashraf ghani. he has been with the delegation for some time, _ been with the delegation for some time, trying to negotiate with the taliban _ time, trying to negotiate with the taliban. they are now very confident and very— taliban. they are now very confident and very sure that in the coming days— and very sure that in the coming days from — and very sure that in the coming days from wat suhail shaheen, the taliban— days from wat suhail shaheen, the taliban spokesperson, said to me, they will— taliban spokesperson, said to me, they will reimpose an islamic state, they will reimpose an islamic state, the government of the taliban, and that is— the government of the taliban, and that is what they call themselves, back across the country. this is some _ back across the country. this is some of— back across the country. this is some of what he had to say. their properties, their lives are safe. our leadership have instructed our forces to remain at the gate

abdullah abdullah. we understand he will be front and center here in class are either tomorrow or the day after that when it comes to these reinvigorated discussions between the taliban and some sort of skeletal core representation. for whatever's left of the afghan government, what's the silver bullet that abdullah abdullah can bring to that process to get both sides to agree on the form on the nitty gritty, the detail of whatever the interim administration slash government council, whatever it's called, whatever that will be all very much depends on who, who will represent now and how cobble is going to act as a side because that size now obviously as being used to be and his team from the palace, including the 1st vice president. so that create the constitutional issue as well. we don't know what has what has happened to 2nd vice president where he is. but obviously the 6 succession system in place. but as far as the high is concerned, it all depends also on what baton bon wants. if the toner gone wrong, it brought the solution, which is what they indicated. then i think mr. abdullah, mr. cause i delegation that just went to his lama to the made up of see project was back and i was our leaders and they will play a role and they will sit down to call him on, which is what they're going to ask f

i'm a connie was pictured meeting national reconciliation chairman abdullah, abdullah and the former president hammock cause i didn't cobble the counterbalance co founder and political chief has returned to afghanistan. abdul ghani brodder arrived to a crowd of supporters in kandahar the birthplace of the taliban, brought to lead the groups negotiators and talks with the us and the afghan government. he was free from a prison in pakistan at the request of the united states 3 years ago. when after taking part in cobble, the afghan taliban is now and talks with the pakistani government come out. hydro has more on that aspect from the town of tour come in pakistan. a sunnier of delegation comprising of his, of our leaders in august on, at the moment. they've already had an important round of dogs with the country's military leadership. they have met the bugs on the prime minister. bog. it's gone is stretching on the point that has to be an inclusive government. the taliban have already signaled that they will tolerate other religious minorities as well as admitted written down to varman

leading afghan politician abdullah abdullah has been taking part in the talks in kabul with taliban leaders. he posted these pictures on his social media. mr abdullah council for national reconciliation — said the former president of the country hamid karzai was also in attendance. mr abdullah said the �*security of the people' and �*inclusive political process�* were discussed in the meeting. he said respect for national values, including the flag, was raised too. 0ur security correspondent frank gardner has more on the taliban and says there have been reports of violence against afghan citizens. there are two questions that float to the surface here. there are a number of really chilling and disturbing reports which the un secretary—general mentioned about people being coerced. door—to—door hunting down of people from the former regime and the question is, othersjust one offs former regime and the question is, others just one offs by a few hot—headed militants acting on their own or of a secret order issued from above? the big question, i think, is referring to what you are referring to there, the arrival in kabul, is the new taliban really refor

the taliban leaders have negotiated with dr abdullah abdullah and former president, hamid karzai.the republic and the afghan security forces folded rapidly. it is also an issue whether they want to include leaders who are so associated with the past corruption and who they decried as apoststates, as stooges of the west, but i wouldn't focus on those leaders, i would focus on whether technocrats are purged, executed or whether they are allowed to work in the taliban government. whether we will see ethnic representation, and of course women, at least in some form, being allowed to work in the government and outside the household. could this be a bit like iran, then? immediately after the revolution in 1979, a lot of the technocrats were expelled, a lot of professional people, for want of a better word, were punished and indeed executed, but then not very long afterwards i have certainly spoken to iranian expats in this country, who say relatives of theirs who held senior positions in things like the national banks were urged to come back because the revolutionaries realised they act

abdullah abdullah and another, they are called the co—ordination committee to discuss what the future government would look like. but we haven't heard from the taliban. rumours would that one leader had landed in kabul. but he has not. we will have to see tomorrow as to when the taliban take over all of kabul as to what the next step fr them would be. —— step for them would be. a huge amount of uncertainty and anxiety, what about your own personal situation? what are you going to do. what can you do? again, as i said earlier, _ going to do. what can you do? again, as i said earlier, as _ going to do. what can you do? again, as i said earlier, as unsettling - going to do. what can you do? again, as i said earlier, as unsettling as - as i said earlier, as unsettling as all of this is, i do not want to abandon my country. i want to be here. i want to be able to have this discussion and here's to hoping that the taliban have it within them to have that discussion with academics, with people who represent the public. my friends have been stranded. some of them were trying to rush to the airport, only to realise later that the paths to the airports were closed and the flights were cancelled. others managed to get out. some tried to help me get out as well. but i thought others deserved it more and i didn't want the leave, not now and hopefully not ever. so... ithink the leave, not now and hopefully not ever. so... i think this would be a very, very long night for kabul, but we will have wait what happens. you had to take — we will have wait what happens. you had to take the decision to leigh or stay? —— leave or stay? had to take the decision to leigh or stay? -- leave or stay?— had to take the decision to leigh or stay? -- leave or stay? yes, and i'm hoinu stay? -- leave or stay? yes, and i'm honing that— stay? -- leave or stay? yes, and i'm honing that the _ stay? -- leave or stay? yes, and i'm hoping that the taliban _ stay? -- leave or stay? yes, and i'm hoping that the taliban stay - stay? -- leave or stay? yes, and i'm hoping that the taliban stay true - stay? -- leave or stay? yes, and i'm hoping that the taliban stay true to l hoping that the taliban stay true to their statement of tolerating different views of having the capacity to discuss and to change to evolve, to modernize and i think there will be a need for technocrats, even if the taliban don't see it, my students need lecturers like me, other afghans need people with talent, with experience, that can help not only run the state, but help society function. and that would mean some people like me sacrificing and staying behind. and then i hope that they see that and let us do our work, let us work for our nation. ok thank you very much. laurel miller is director of international crisis group's asia program, formerly she was the deputy and then acting special representative for afghanistan and pakistan at the us department of state. hello there. your thoughts first of all about the situation as it stands? ~ , ., , , ., stands? well, it is obviously an extremely _ stands? well, it is obviously an extremely fluid _ stands? well, it is obviously an extremely fluid situation, - stands? well, it is obviously an extremely fluid situation, as i stands? well, it is obviously an l extremely fluid situation, as your reporting has shown. there are the immediate questions of what is, i don't even think we can say transition to power to the taliban, because there isn't any transition happening, the taking of power by the taliban bgs what is that going tolike like, what will the situation be in the hours and days ahead? as someone, and in this case it can only be the taliban, attempts to ensure some kind of law and order in kabul and takes ensure some kind of law and order in kabuland takes up ensure some kind of law and order in kabul and takes up the seat of government. we are then entering a very uncertain phase and a whole new context in the afghanistan of what is taliban rule in this new situation going to look like? are they going to, what is their political vision going to be, are they going to re—establish the emrate as it was in the nineties and bring their emir to kabul, what is their political plan? they haven't said yet and more questions than answers on that front. talk said yet and more questions than answers on that front.— answers on that front. talk us throu~h answers on that front. talk us through us — answers on that front. talk us through us policy _ answers on that front. talk us through us policy in _ answers on that front. talk us through us policy in this - answers on that front. talk us i through us policy in this regard, this rapid withdrawal, president biden has come in for extensive condemnation for having gone about it in this ways, should he have foreseen this would happen? i it in this ways, should he have foreseen this would happen? i think it was pretty — foreseen this would happen? i think it was pretty clear _ foreseen this would happen? i think it was pretty clear that _ foreseen this would happen? i think it was pretty clear that president - it was pretty clear that president biden, given his long—standing views on afghanistan, wanted to end the us military involvement there. so the decision to withdraw is not a surprise. i don't think it really has a lot to do with the agreement that the united states under the trump administration signed with the taliban, that if anything was convenient for the biden administration, because it gave them administration, because it gave them a kind of coverfor a administration, because it gave them a kind of cover for a withdrawal decision that they wanted to make, because of how president biden calculates us security interests and doesn't rate afghanistan high on that. once you were going to have that. once you were going to have that decision to withdraw, it was going to happen quickly in any circumstances and really what we are seeing happen right now is a crisis of confidence, a collapse of confidence by afghans, the security forces, the political elite and the population in their own government and their own system being able to endure in the absence of the american presence. you endure in the absence of the american presence.- endure in the absence of the american presence. endure in the absence of the american resence. ., , ., ., american presence. you will be aware that comparisons _ american presence. you will be aware that comparisons are _ american presence. you will be aware that comparisons are being _ american presence. you will be aware that comparisons are being made - american presence. you will be awarej that comparisons are being made with the us withdrawal from vietnam in the us withdrawal from vietnam in the 70s, do you think that is an apt comparison? the the 70s, do you think that is an apt comparison?— the 70s, do you think that is an apt comparison? the situations are very different in a — comparison? the situations are very different in a number— comparison? the situations are very different in a number of— comparison? the situations are very different in a number of ways. - comparison? the situations are very different in a number of ways. one | different in a number of ways. one way in which i think you could say it is apt is that there were wrong analysis up to the last moment of how long the existing situation could hold and how much time there would be to execute an evacuation of the embassy. i think it was more acute in the case of vietnam than what we have seen here, but nonetheless that misunderstanding of how rapidly the situation could deteriorate. you can see some parallel there. i think one thing that we do see that has been a kind of false comparison that has been perpetuated and infused american policy was the idea after the soviets withdrew from afghanistan, the afghan government could hold on, because the money from the russians kept going for three years, until the soviet union evaporated and the money was cut off. that led some to believe as long as the us and the west are giving money to the ashraf ghani government it could hang on for a period of time. that proved to be a false comparison and a grave miscalculation of its staying power. in terms of agreement signed between president trump and the taliban, the and afghanistan government wasn't part of that, was that a grave mistake?— part of that, was that a grave mistake? ~ ., ,., mistake? the afghan government wasn't art mistake? the afghan government wasn't part of _ mistake? the afghan government wasn't part of it, _ mistake? the afghan government wasn't part of it, because - mistake? the afghan government wasn't part of it, because the - wasn't part of it, because the taliban rejected the idea of negotiating with the afghan government until after it had negotiated with the us. and achieved its no i objective was an american commitment to a time line for withdrawal. it was a calculated risk the united states took that if it acceded to taliban demand for getting the foreigners to withdraw and then we will talk to the other afghans, that that concession could open up a window of opportunity for a peace process. it was a calculated risk, but the calculation turned out to be a wrong bgs there wasn't enough of a window of opportunity, probably not enough intent on the alban side and not enough interest on the afghan government's side to convert that opportunity into a real peace process. so in the end it did bolster alban morale and accelerated their legitimacy on the international stage and the us/taliban agreement accelerated the trajectory that was already in play of taliban rising in dpans. afghanistan. 50 of taliban rising in dpans. afghanistan.— of taliban rising in dpans. afuhanistan. ,, , ,. ., , afghanistan. so the us is scrambling to evacuate its _ afghanistan. so the us is scrambling to evacuate its citizen _ afghanistan. so the us is scrambling to evacuate its citizen and _ afghanistan. so the us is scrambling to evacuate its citizen and the - afghanistan. so the us is scrambling to evacuate its citizen and the us - to evacuate its citizen and the us has put in billions of dollars to shore up afghanistan and build a civic society whashs, what do you make of antony blinken saying the mission has been successful? the biden mission has been successful? tie: biden administration is mission has been successful? ti9: biden administration is lying the emphasis on the successes achieved in terms of counter terrorism and going after al-qaeda, decimating al-qaeda, it is degraded and pointing out that osama bin laden was killed ten years ago. he was it bears mentioning he was killed in pakistan and not afghanistan. there was a second part of the mission from the start and that was regime change. the bush administration decided to go after al-qaeda and the terrorists and to eliminate the taliban regime and judged it essential there not be taliban rule in afghanistan any longer. from that, flowed all of the investment you referenced and what is called the nation building mission. that has clearly been a failure. there were gains that were made for afghan people over these years in terms of education, health, women's rights, how long the gains will endure is in question. so there was a two part mission by the united states in afghanistan. counter terrorism, and regime change. the first had some successes, the second distinctly not, because we are back to where we started 20 years ago. good not, because we are back to where we started 20 years ago.— started 20 years ago. good to talk to ou. started 20 years ago. good to talk to you- thank— started 20 years ago. good to talk to you. thank you _ started 20 years ago. good to talk to you. thank you for _ started 20 years ago. good to talk to you. thank you for your - to you. thank you for your assessment. with me now is bbcjournalist zarghuna kargar who is from afghanistan and has been speaking to residents in both kabul and jalalabad. what have people been saying to you. there is a total sense of chaos, people are worried, people are scared. i have been speaking mostly with women. they're terrified of what is coming next for them. i was speaking to up ing to one of my friends in kabul. she went to the bank to get some money, she has been trying to leave the city for a while and she wasn't able to leave. she went to the bank and the bank said you can go home, there is no money in the bank. she said when i came out of the bank, the streets were empty and people were getting off the car, running back home. she said she went home and she feels so hopeless. it is heartbreaking to speak to my friends. my friends who have worked so hard in the last 20 years to progress, to get education, to learn, to help the society and the community, they'rejust, the morale is so low. it is just so sad. and i'm also speaking, have been speaking to mothers of army families. and one mother told me that her son was, who was guarding the jalalabad airport, she can't make contact with him. they are telling him he might be safe. but it is heartbreaking to not know how your child is doing. she said that since this morning, she is hearing planes going over kabul, they live close to the airport, and she felt that everyone is leaving and they're left behind, abandoned. terrible scenes and terrible stories. [30 left behind, abandoned. terrible scenes and terrible stories. do you think that this — scenes and terrible stories. do you think that this fear _ scenes and terrible stories. do you think that this fear in _ scenes and terrible stories. do you think that this fear in this - scenes and terrible stories. do you think that this fear in this time - scenes and terrible stories. do you think that this fear in this time of l think that this fear in this time of uncertainty, do you think the fear is strongest among women? alert; uncertainty, do you think the fear is strongest among women? very much, women were _ is strongest among women? very much, women were the — is strongest among women? very much, women were the main _ is strongest among women? very much, women were the main victims _ is strongest among women? very much, women were the main victims of- women were the main victims of taliban regime. women were the main victims of the the mujahideen regime. there are so many widows and so many women who worked hard to build a community of educated women, there were so many girls go to school, they don't know what the next minute holds for them. can they go to school tomorrow? they don't know. are they allowed to go to university, they don't know. we hear some women were told to go back from universities by the taliban, where they have taken over. there is a sense of fear and when you see everyone leaving it is just heartbreaking and it is like really scary, i have been there myself when in the nineties i was a kid and my father hold on to our home and to what we had and we said it is going to be fine. the mujahideen are coming, but we will fine, there will bejobs and life coming, but we will fine, there will be jobs and life for us. and we saw all his friends leaving. some went to russia. some went to india. we were left behind. sometimes my mother still blames my father for all the suffering we went there, we became displaced two times in afghanistan, and then went to pakistan as refugees. we made it to england. but we were late and when you hold on to things and there are, i speak to so many of my friends, they're in the same position that i was in the nineties as a child and it isjust so was in the nineties as a child and it is just so heartbreaking not to be able to go back to your home. not be able to go back to your home. not be able to go back to your home. not be able to... sleep in your own bed. as a child. and i have been there. and just... as a child. and i have been there. andjust... so as a child. and i have been there. and just... so hard to keep hopes high, orto and just... so hard to keep hopes high, or to keep... and just... so hard to keep hopes high, orto keep... to and just... so hard to keep hopes high, or to keep... to keep the momentum of feeling that it is going to be fine. the momentum of feeling that it is going to be fine. , :, :, :_ momentum of feeling that it is going to be fine. , :, :, :, to be fine. the events of today and this art to be fine. the events of today and this part week— to be fine. the events of today and this part week are _ to be fine. the events of today and this part week are stirring - to be fine. the events of today and this part week are stirring up - to be fine. the events of today and this part week are stirring up a - to be fine. the events of today and this part week are stirring up a lot | this part week are stirring up a lot of memories and emotions for you clearly, among the people that you have been talking to, is there any sense, any realistic sense that the taliban might have change d from the regime in the nineties or are people sceptical? regime in the nineties or are people sce tical? , regime in the nineties or are people scetical? , ,: , , sceptical? highly sceptical. it is 'ust like sceptical? highly sceptical. it is just like seeing _ sceptical? highly sceptical. it is just like seeing the _ sceptical? highly sceptical. it is just like seeing the reality - sceptical? highly sceptical. it is just like seeing the reality and l just like seeing the reality and hearing from people, hearing from women in provinces, just a few weeks ago, i spoke to a woman artist in kabul. she said in her province where the taliban has entered, midwives who are essential workforce for looking after mothers and babies, they were not allowed to go to work. how can they trust a force like this, that we see example, we hear women being forced to marry and sold and to stop from education. how can they trust? it will be very hard to see the the reality and to see what is coming next that is going to change. how have they changed? in the last few weeks all i have heard from the people i have been speaking to, they say the taliban haven't changed. they're more scary and we feel like they're coming with a same force that they came in the nineties. force that they came in the nineties-— force that they came in the nineties. , :, :, :, :_ nineties. so you feel a long way from afghanistan, _ nineties. so you feel a long way from afghanistan, i _ nineties. so you feel a long way from afghanistan, i should - nineties. so you feel a long way from afghanistan, i should say| from afghanistan, i should say you're speaking to us from the uk, but you are in touch with people there. what are you going to do, are you just going to keep in touch with people and try to reassure them. fits people and try to reassure them. as an people and try to reassure them. 93 an afghan woman who has dedicated her life for work of education of girls and women, i will try to help them get out. because i don't know... they feel scared. they feel terrified. they feel that... i will not be able to do what i did. in one familyi not be able to do what i did. in one family i see five young men losing jobs. they were all working for kabul police, for military, you can imagine how the cycle of poverty is coming in. they don't know if they will be allowed to work in the police force again, or will they be able to move freely in kabul. so it is very hard to keep... a feeling apart from what is going on in my country and with my people. thank ou. thank you for talking to us. thank you. general sir richard barrons was commander ofjoint forces command for the british military from 2013 until 2016. shejoins us now on bbc news. thank you so much for giving us your time. your assessment of the first of all of what is going on and where we are. ~' of what is going on and where we are. " , of what is going on and where we are, 4' , , of what is going on and where we are. ~ , , : :, are. so, i think it is very clear that the afghan _ are. so, i think it is very clear that the afghan government | are. so, i think it is very clear i that the afghan government we are. so, i think it is very clear - that the afghan government we have supported for 20 years has collapsed. i don't think there will be a transition to some sort of interim government, i think we'll the establishment of a taliban led islamic emirate in the next few days and i think we will then see the taliban allow, and i use that word carefully, allow the west to remove its diplomats and its other entitled personnel and that'll be that. 50. personnel and that'll be that. so, the t-rou personnel and that'll be that. so, the group that — personnel and that'll be that. so, the group that has been got together of hammered karzai, abdullaht think they have any cards to play in a situation where the taliban are in kabul, president ashraf ghani has left, the army has collapsed, the police has collapsed, what is there left to discuss? hater what is there left to discuss? how do ou what is there left to discuss? how do you feel _ what is there left to discuss? how do you feel about _ what is there left to discuss? how do you feel about the _ what is there left to discuss? how do you feel about the way that my caddie feel about the policy of withdrawal and secondly the way in which the withdrawal has happened of western forces and the western presence? it western forces and the western resence? , ,:, :, western forces and the western resence? , :, :, , :, presence? it is important to be a little nuanced _ presence? it is important to be a little nuanced about _ presence? it is important to be a little nuanced about this. - presence? it is important to be a little nuanced about this. two i little nuanced about this. two thing

and the for connie was pictured meeting national reconciliation chairman abdullah, abdullah and the former president. i'm a cause i in the capital cobble and the televisions co founder and political chief has returned to afghanistan. abdul ghani baroda arrived to a crowd of supporters in kandahar the birthplace of the taliban brother, led the groups negotiators in talks with the u. s. and the african governments. he was freed from prison in pakistan at the request of the united states 3 years ago. let's go live now to the white house and our correspondence that this our mike can . mike, as far as the u. s. is concerned, there are still thousands of people trapped in afghanistan who worked with and for the united states over the past 1520 years to the u. s. have any plans to help them? well, yes, indeed. there are a number of individual visas that are being issued. the non, the process of being issued, the u. s. has provided facilities that 3 separate bases here for an estimated 20000 afghans who used to work for the us government one must as well. we've heard from the pentagon about the ra

he was advised that the former c, e, o of afghanistan, abdullah abdullah. he joins us from washington. well miss, i'm a good talk to you again. so what happens next? do you think? well, we're going to have to see what decision honey in his team in the palace take. are they going to stay? are they going to leave? is he going to resign? is he going to pave the way for a transitional period? and who is he going to work with? and obviously there are some meet there, somebody's going on right now. the taller bond team is waiting for an answer. so. ready it's, there's a bit of an unknown there. all kinds of rumors going on right now that the president may have left the country and, but it has to be confirmed. on the other hand, others say that he's there and he is working for. ready some kind of a political solution to the problem that exist. one, the taller bond or the gate to cobble, but the central government doesn't have many cars left to play here. surely. no, unfortunately. busy they run out of cards, they want a card that is left is a decision on stepping

and president connie has left the country top official, abdullah abdullah, is among those to confirm the news. referring to connie as the former president's combo streets tens, despite the taliban or dreg. it's finances to stay on the outskirts of the city for negotiations are held on a transfer of power. many fear a return of the brutal taliban rule of the past. the group is trying to be assured people of the kind of government it will lead, say, womens fights will be respected embassies are moving out there. staff with helicopter shuffling between those buildings and the airport in kabul will shortly will speak to heidi joe castro in washington. dc 1st, so let's head to rob mcbride. he joins us from the afghan capital robes. there are conflicting reports of the taliban answering cobble. they are. what are you hearing? yeah, it's been a day of incredible development which continue in today's sunday evening here. and it's all compounded of caused by the absence of president or the former president ref gunny. we had been anticipating that he had been involved and may well have been in

the top afghan police official abdullah abdullah has described ashraf ghani as the former president andnt situation in afghanistan. roads out of kabul have been packed with people fleeing the taliban. the militant group has told the bbc they will respect the rights of women and allow a free media. that is the line being taken on major tv interviews. as well as taking every major city, the taliban have captured more territory, including the former us airbase at bagram. the us has has begun evacuating staff from its embassy with chinook heliopters soon flying over the city. the bbc has been speaking to the taliban today. the bbc has been speaking to the taliban today. my colleague yalda hakim spoke earlier to taliban spokesman suhail shaheen who is in doha where peace negotiations have been taking place. he said there would be a peaceful transfer of power and that women would be respected. the city and the power should be handed over to the islamic emirate of afghanistan and then in future we will have an afghan inclusive government in which all afghans will have participation. when you s

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confront for the nation council that has been set though, in aid of the reconciliation council, abdullah abdullahpresident orformer left behind by the departure of president or former president ashton ghani. and to keep law in order, to facilitate the peaceful transfer of power. 50 facilitate the peaceful transfer of ower. ., facilitate the peaceful transfer of ower. . ., facilitate the peaceful transfer of ower. ., ., ., power. so the talks in doha now become crucial, _ power. so the talks in doha now become crucial, i _ power. so the talks in doha now become crucial, i suppose - power. so the talks in doha now become crucial, i suppose there j power. so the talks in doha now l become crucial, i suppose there is talk about whether the taliban will insist on being allowed to govern alone, orwill they insist on being allowed to govern alone, or will they include others. as i say, i think it has said time again, the taliban, from the very beginning, were pushing for exclusive power, i would say, and they would bring others under their umbrella, it is not like a shared government power, with other g

joined now by omar samad, former afghan ambassador to france and canada and an advisor to dr abdullah abdullahef executive of afghanistan. thank you so much forjoining us here on bbc news. just to start with what is your assessment of the situation on the ground now. the situation on the ground now. the situation on _ situation on the ground now. tue: situation on the ground now. tte: situation on the ground now. tte: situation on the ground now. tte: situation on the ground now has two focuses. one is the airport, evacuation and the tragedy to happen today. the next five days the us and its allies will have to take as many ex—pats, as many as ivs and 78,000 security and military personnel out of afghanistan, as well as select others. and what happens in terms of counterterrorism now. those who were able to maintain security and instability and kabul and other provinces and not only of the next five days but also beyond august 31 and the third thing will be what will happen politically on the taliban and other figures agreeing to a power—sharing arrangement or not. to a power-sharing arrangeme

eventually brokered a power sharing deal with rival abdullah abdullah in which ghani was declared president. one of his last acts before leaving kabul sunday, a security call to appeal for calm. >> translator: i have guided the defense ministry to take full responsibility for the security of all residents. secretarily, those people that are noise about rioting, looting and killing people, we will deal with them with full forceful. >> reporter: his critics who have long believed him to be too controlling, blasted his departure saying he abandoned his country to a dire future. >> translator: god will hold him accountable and the people of afghanistan will also judge him. >> reporter: afghanistan's acting defense minister tweeting, they tied our hands behind our backs and sold the homeland. damn the rich man and his gang. ghani always had a contentious relationship with the taliban. they viewed him as a puppet of the americans. on social media, ghani said he left to avoid further bloodshed. but in the end he randal before the taliban took control. potentially escaping the fate of a previously

abdullah abdullah, the chairman and abdullah matullah are together, and they have presented to the gathering and presented their ideas going forward. now i want to be clear, there is daylight between the presentations that have taken place so far, but the fact that they remain engaged in this, and the fact that the international community is speaking clearly, speaking resolutely, and speaking with one voice, we intend to move forward with that process, to continue at it, and to continue to support these intraafghan talks in the hopes and ultimately something that we will do all we can to support, that this ends up in an afghan-owned, afghan-led political solution to what has been, again, not three weeks, and not three months, and not six-months, but really 40 years' of conflict. the people of afghanistan deserve an end to this conflict. they don't want to see 40 more years of civil war. they don't want to see four more years of civil war, and we don't want to see four more months of conflict. we are realistic about the difficult road that we have already been down, and the difficult road tha

abdullah abdullah, one of the leaders of the northern side, met with the how connie hi network. creating the building blocks. chief among them, the united states did not have to make a deal with the taliban. they are withdrawing. they are literally withdrawing. there is no peace deal to be made. they didn't need the permission of a terrorist group in order to leave afghanistan. united states also has been negotiating with the taliban and their al qaeda brothers who are represented in the haqqani network in al qaeda itself. pakistan knew exactly what the taliban was doing because they are based there and the u.s. has said nothing about pakistan's role in this. absolutely nothing. there were 400 other examples about how it was engineered and it's not accidental. >> harris: we are going to break into this because we have breaking news and nixon capitol hill. -- suspicious car and bomb threat near the capital. >> we don't know what the motives were at this time. >> what can you tell us about the suspect? do you know if he is veteran of the afghan war or the war in iraq? >> we don't

to get a monopoly on power, negotiate with the remaining influencers, like hamid karzai and abdullah abdullaha way forward in afghanistan, political way forward in afghanistan that has buy-in from afghans. that's the optimistic scenario. the pessimistic scenario is that the taliban overreach, they monopolize power and invite backlash against themselves. in that case you're like ly to see a wider civil war, likely to see afghanistan descend into war and that's the scenario in which international terrorist groups are more likely to come back. >> can the u.s. credibly address the terror threat from afghanistan from outside the country, right? now that troops are out, they're going to have to do missions from kuwait, from qatar, hundreds of miles away. the drones will have to fly from bases outside the country, less time over target. can the u.s. protect itself from outside afghanistan? >> well, the united states does it from -- protects itself from terrorist threats across the world where we don't have troops. so the short answer is, yes. the longer answer or the more complete answer is, look, w

abdullah abdullah, who is now leading an afghan delegation. he is one of senior _ leading an afghan delegation. he is one of senior most _ leading an afghan delegation. he: 3 one of senior most political figures in afghanistan. he has never been president or led the country, but he has been the head of afghan peace commission. he has laid a key role in engagements with the taliban. he is someone that is run for president several times and always lost and claimed there was fraudulent elections. he is someone that is known and prominent and i think the important thing is that the taliban's never appeared to loathe him in the way it has loathed ashraf ghani. the taliban said for some time there could be nothing, nothing happen could with negotiations until ashraf ghani stepped down. but there was never that demand with abdullahbe part of the government, but i think he will play a key role in the negotiations that happen over the next few days. whether that entails there being a role for him, that is not clear, but he commands respect in afghanistan. he has rivals, but he is someone that all the quaysides would view as someone who could play a key role in whatever government emerges. d0 a key role in whatever government emerues. ,, ~ a key role in whatever government emerues. ~ ., ., ., , emerges. do you think negotiations are made easier— emerges. do you think negotiations are made easier by _ emerges. do you think negotiations are made easier by the _ emerges. do you think negotiations are made easier by the fact - emerges. do you think negotiations are made easier by the fact that i are made easier by the fact that cities have begun falling without a fight, there hasn't been battle in kabul, the taliban has not been attacking the us as it departs, for example? t attacking the us as it departs, for exam - l

eventually brokered a power-sharing deal with rival abdullah abdullah in which ghani was declared presidentone of his last acts before leaving kabul sunday, a security call to appeal for calm. >> translator: i have guided the defense ministry to take full responsibility for the security of all residents. secondly, those people that are making noise about rioting, looting and killing people, we will deal with them with full force. >> reporter: ghani's critics, who have long believed him to be too controlling, blasted his departure, saying he abandoned his country to a dire future. >> translator: god will hold them accountable and the people of afghanistan will also judge him. >> reporter: afghanistan's acting defense minister tweeting, they tied our hands behind our backs and sold the homeland. damn the rich man and his gang. ghani always had a contentious relationship with the taliban. they viewed him as a puppet of the americans. on social media, ghani said he left to avoid further bloodshed. but in the end he ran before the taliban took control, potentially escaping the fate of a previous

abdullah abdullah who was recently in the government in afghanistan.that but what he did say very clearly was that the united states should not evacuate its embassy, should keep a diplomatic presence inside kabul. the reason for that, he says, the taliban can be trusted. this is how he explained it. >> they should trust us when we sign the agreement with them during -- from the beginning up to now. we have not attacked the american forces. not a single american soldier has been killed because of our promise and commitment. >> reporter: you know, so, i said to him, okay, so, you say that, but the united states is pulling out. does that mean that they don't trust you? and he said, they should trust us. and this is -- this, of course, is the crux of the issue. what should we believe about what the taliban is saying? saying today? they are certainly putting on a different play, if you will, in kabul at the moment, letting international reporters roam relatively freely around the city. domestic reporters, on the other hand, are getting knocks on their doors

into the coalition government, they're in meetings right now hamid karzai, the first president, abdullah abdullah meeting with members of the hakani network, the most aggressive arm of the taliban, a figurehead, a coalition government in name but trying to come up with a government that is led by the taliban but have some sort of legitimacy and packaging around it that makes it seem more presentable to the afghan people. it is very, i can't think of a comparable situation. >> all of this is happening on the world stage while world leaders are trying to figure out what their next move is. peter, president biden has started speaking with other world leaders. i cannot imagine these conversations are going very well. what can you tell us about these conversations? >> reporter: at least one took place late yesterday, president biden speaking to the british prime minister boris johnson. a lot of the foreign leaders are bystanders to this decision by the u.s. to withdraw by the end of this month. johnson told by ten downing street emphasizing he hopes they could focus on an effort not to give up the gai

telling them to include some of the former rivals like president karzai, former chief executive abdullah abdullah. so due to that, the taliban have not formed a movement, and this gives an opportunity to isis. isis in afghanistan has fashioned itself as a taliban rejectionist movement. it is telling disillusioned taliban constituencies that while the taliban may have moderated on a certain issue, may be ready to do business with the united states, they are there, you know, holding on to their hard-line positions, willing to take on the united states government. and that gives isis-k an opportunity to recruit in this uncertain time. >> president biden made the decision to leave afghanistan because he said it wasn't in the u.s.'s national interest anymore to be on the ground, that there wasn't the expectation of a direct threat to the u.s. homeland from afghanistan. has that changed in the chaos of the last few weeks? how will the security situation in afghanistan be ring fenced if possible on the ground, or do you see this met astasizing in some way, in ways that many people within the u.s. govern

and former president karzai or abdullah abdullah or the others who are now in discussions with the taliban absolutely. as you know, matt, there continues to be dialogue between the afghans. that is to say representatives of the islamic republican and the taliban. for our part, we have been in touch with relevant and key stakeholders, individuals who are taking part in intra-afghan discussions with the taliban. we're not in a position to read those calls out. this has been primarily on the part of our team in doha, our team on the ground in afghanistan to make sure that we have a regular line in to those afghan stakeholders. >> so they have not been in touch with -- >> no. >> so how are the talks going? >> so, those talks. >> you've been listening to ned price there, state department spokesperson, about the ongoing evacuations. still so many questions about the numbers, how many americans, how many afghans who've applied for special immigrant visas, and every day we do get more numbers, but not all of the numbers. >> and not the numbers that most people are looking for specifically, how man

ambassador omar samad, former afghanistan ambassador to canada and france, and muhammad karzai and abdullah abdullahthank you for joining us, ambassador. first question to you, we know many afghans who worked with the u.s. will be left behind. i've spoken to some, they can't get to the airport. they can't get on the flights even if they're taking off. what is the risk to them? are their lives in danger? >> obviously anyone who decides to stay behind takes a risk. the state department, important state department announcement that the embassy, the u.s. embassy in kabul in the state department has since april told american citizens and permanent residents of the united states in kabul, in afghanistan, to leave. so obviously things took on a different turn once the taliban entered kabul. at this point there are four categories that are priority, priority issue. u.s. citizens, foreign western citizen, u.s. permanent residents, siv applicants with the legal documents, and the american and foreign forces who are on the ground who have to leave by august 31st. >> so we know those groups, and the fact is i'v

parties, they've been in discussions with some previous leaders of afghanistan, president karzai, abdullah abdullahtive. if they're able to form an inclusive government and abide by international standards of governance and human rights, then i think there's a lot of space to work with this new government. but it is simply too soon to tell. >> how much does financial leverage have to do with holding the taliban to what they say at least publicly at this point? you have "the washington post" reporting ten days ago the biden administration froze billions in afghan reserves. do you get the sense, sir, that cash can be used as leverage to get them to comply? >> it is one element of the leverage, not the only one, but it is important because with cash you pay salaries, with cash you can provide humanitarian assistance, keep schools open, keep health care running and so forth. so cash still makes afghanistan run even under the taliban. there's other forms of leverage as well though. taliban leaders wish to be removed from the sanctions list, which has long been held by the united nations, and, fundamenta

we learned last night from a source that even senior figures, former politicians, doctor abdullah abdullah, the former president hamid karzai who had until the past couple of days their own security detail and their own vehicles and now essentially holed up in a house without their transport and without any of their own security protection. many vulnerable, many afghans from top to bottom of society will be feeling exceptionally vulnerable, and that is fln indication of how the taliban works. if the hope is for them to be a reasonable partner for afghan allies, other members of former of the afghan government or the u.s., that one indication there. i'm jim sciutto. thank you for being with us. that is flick robertson with me there. "at this hour" will start now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, i'm kate bolduan. we're continuing this follow the major breaking news in afghanistan. there has been an explosion outside of kabul airport. officials also say this appears to be a suicide attack. let's be clear. this is still unfolding and there are many questions and things are still very f

afghanistan, including hamilcarzai, committee formed within afghanistan, including hamilcar zai, abdullah abdullahand three of them are called the coordination committee who are supposed to coordinate with the taliban and discuss what the future government would look like, but we have not heard from the taliban and we don't know what their next move is. the rumour is that the leader has landed in taliban, but he has not. we will have to see what happens tomorrow when the taliban take over the whole of kabul what the next step will be. fix, take over the whole of kabul what the next step will be.— take over the whole of kabul what the next step will be. a huge amount of uncertainty — the next step will be. a huge amount of uncertainty and _ the next step will be. a huge amount of uncertainty and anxiety _ the next step will be. a huge amount of uncertainty and anxiety at - the next step will be. a huge amount of uncertainty and anxiety at the - of uncertainty and anxiety at the moment. what about your own personal situation? what are you going to do? what can you do?— what can you do? again, as i sa

three days of talks are happening in doha between us envoy zalmay khalilzad, abdullah abdullah — theng with mullah baradar — who is the head of the taliban's political office in qatar. but there is a disconnect between the political arm of the taliban and the movement on the ground. general carter explains. he is the head of the british army. i think it'll be interesting to see how it brings the rest of the movement together with that and i think we should be watching to see how that happens. i'm also certain that there is a big disparity between what the political commission, in particular mullah baradar, is a saying in public and of course what he's actually doing wandering around doing a bit of diplomacy in russia and china, and there is a big disparity between that and what's happening on the battlefield where we are seeing atrocities being committed, we are seeing war crimes being committed, we are seeing women being brutalised, we are seeing forced marriages, all sorts of things that the taliban are notorious for in the past, and there's a disparity there. so, i think that need

also present was abdullah abdullah, the former government's peace envoy.correspondent, lyse doucet. these are extraordinary images for those who fear the return of the taliban. they are jarring images. but for those who don't have any option to leave and are hoping against hope there could be a smooth transition, these are the photographs that they want to see. the future is unclear. here's one female afghan mp in kabul. it depends on what form of government taliban are trying to form. if they are trying to form a government which is transparent would be responsible. we've had diplomatic relationship with the world which had all the values that a government should have in zist century. mr ghani has left afghanistan, but at yesterday's news conference, the taliban made a number of assurances — including that members of the government would be safe. we shall see. here's a former advisor to the us special representative for afghanistan. it made me just once again be - impressed by how strategic they are, how media savvy they are. | i would very much like to w

you get -- one guy is abdullah and abdullah number two, they get $25 worth of ingredients and they have2 flying at 20,000 feet is not going to stop these two people from making their bomb. terrorism is a private -- sometimes it needs lodge is at s support. i believe that what you need is -- you need cops, you need people who blend into indigenous populations, you need undercover. you need spies. know, it is very difficult to stop total anarchists from creating chaos. you do the best you can with tsa at the airport and so forth and so far so good. howie: thanks for doing double duty, geraldo, good to see you. >> okay. howie: still to come, chris cuomo defends his role in his brother's resignation and the new host of jeopardy apologize as he steps down. where our new auto rates are so low, ♪ you'll jump for joy. ♪ here, better protection costs a whole lot less. you're in good hands with allstate. click or call for a lower auto rate today. introducing aleve x. you're in good hands it's fast, powerful long-lasting relief with a revolutionary, rollerball design. because with the right pain r

abdullah of jordan. abdullah is the son of ali shareef from mecca. he considers himself and is considered by many in the muslim world to be a descendant of the prophet. >> abdullahd. a brilliant political, very shrewd mind, even smarter than those who came before him. >> the british liked him. he liked them. he saw himself as a moderate man who could make an arrangement with the british. >> it was part of the british mandate abdullah wanted to be the kingsessing of this arab land, and possibly by being an ally of the british in the war he might get wounded. >> jerusalem, city of faith and fury airs tomorrow night at 10:00 right here on cnn. tweet me@pamela brown cnn. follow me on instagram. thank you for joining me. see you tomorrow night starting at 6:00 eastern. lisa here, has had many jobs. and all that experience has led her to a job that feels like home. with home instead, you too can become a caregiver to older adults. apply today. ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, now introducing ensure complete! with 30 grams of protein. finally, a make-up made...

from yesterday, hamid karzai there with a taliban delegation and former presidential candidate abdullah abdullaheting in kabul to talk about the leadership of that country. interesting photo released by the taliban. you are talking about joe biden with that interview with abc news, george stephanopoulos, anti-of lips of that are going around, including this one about president biden discussing the immediate chaos that followed. here is a bit more from that interview from yesterday. [video clip] >> you don't think that this could have been handled better in any way? no mistakes? >> i don't think it could have been handled better in any way. we will go back in hindsight in look but the idea that we could have gotten out without chaos ensuing, i don't know how that happens, i don't know how that happens. >> for you that was always priced into the decision? >> yes. host: the exclusive was aired yesterday. callie is next, family member of veterans. good morning. caller: good morning, how are you? host: doing all right. caller: i was upset that i didn't get to speak with the man yesterday about pakist

so, i don't care what they are doing with abdullah abdullah or harmid karzai, the fact is they are just just allowed our people to go, we could get them all out. ainsley: listen to what mark mek meadows says about biden's new policy. >> joe biden has a new policy called america left behind. it's a left behind policy. he left behind billions of dollars worth of humvees and u.s. equipment. he left behind americans. he left behind our allies and quite frankly, you know, when you start to look at what he has been involved with, no wonder his polling is going down. but americans are now starting to understand what president trump and many of us that supported him knew all along, is you can't run the country from the basement. and today they cut off his mic when he went to talk, he had one question. they cut off his mic. i mean, can you believe it could get this bad this quickly? steve: they did cut off his mic. so the big question is how many people will would he be able to get out by the deadline midnight tuesday into wednesday as we heard from the congressman who went over there. there is

are talks taking place between the former president made cars i, the former chief executive abdullah abdullah see if those are matched by actions before we rush into any decisions and engagements we have with them. sir nicholas kay, former british ambassador to afghanistan, thank you forjoining us. let's talk to dr waheed arian, an nhs a&e doctor who came to the uk as a refugee from afghanistan. he was 15 years old. thank you so much forjoining us. obviously the debate in the commons about what has gone wrong and what needs to happen now, what are your thoughts? the revious now, what are your thoughts? iie: previous figures, now, what are your thoughts? ti9 previous figures, including the former ambassador, previous figures, including the formerambassador, highlighted previous figures, including the former ambassador, highlighted the humanitarian crisis. i think on one hand we can reflect on what went wrong, but now people are in crisis and there is a humanitarian crisis that will unfold even more, very exponentially. i remember the crisis of 1992, the civil war, which i was born into. we wer

abdullah paid a high price. >> there were those who hated king abdullah. as the king entered to pray, a fan fanatic killed him. >> abdullah was assassinated. king hussan was with him when he was assassinated in jerusalem. >> certainly i saw a rush on the right side with a revolver on his hand and before anyone cab do anything, he fired a shot. it was a shock, i tried to rush for the man and i see the b bullets. >> there is a story that king abdullah before he was assassinated pinned a medal on hussein's chest and it was that medal that saves his life. >> the rest of the world follows a lead of a different kind of ruler. >> the most powerful regime is egypt. >> the le leader of egypt, he w incredibly handsome and de decisive. a new dawn for the arab world is coming. >> there was a sense of finally somebody is standing up and definiing imperialism. now it gave them a sense of pride. he was offering them a glimpse of hope and that i am coming to your aid, fear not. >> in israel. when we looked at nassar, he terrified us. the israelis were confident that they can face the challenge of our world as long as our world is not uni

abdullah was assassinated by a palestinian who viewed abdullah as disloyal to the palestinian cause, which was a palestinian independent state. and king hussein was with him as his grandson when he was assassinated in jerusalem. >> suddenly i saw someone rush from behind a door to the right side with a revolver in his hand, and before anyone could do anything, he fired a shot. my grandfather was hit and fell. it was a shock. i tried to rush for the man, and he turned and fired. i received a bullet that ripped off a medal off my chest. >> there's a story that king abdullahfore he was assassinated, pinned a medal on prince hussein's chest. and it was that medal that saved his life. >> as king hussein in jordan search for stability, the rest of the arab world follows the lead of a very different kind of ruler. >> the most powerful regime in the arab world was egypt. president nasr was essentially almost for lots of arabs, someone who is equivalent to the prophet mohammed. he was extremely influential. he could, by just a word, topple a regime. >> abdul nasr was the leader of egypt since 1956. >> he was over 6 feet tall. he was incredibly handsome. he was decisive. he was a superb speaker who could wow giant crowds. >> and he inspired tens of millions of arabs throughout the region, saying that a new dawn for the arab world was coming. >> there was a sense that finally somebody is standing up and defying imperialism, especially the 160-something thousand palestinians who were left in israel. nas ear gave them a sense of pride. >> he was offering them a gli

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abdullah, we've seen all types of emotional here's one from veggie resident travis campbell. take a listen. >> i messed up big time, guys. i didn't get the vaccine. that's okay. i made a mistake. >> okay, so abdullah, what i think is so powerful about that is the reference to all of the tv and social media, right? that in addition to the structural problems, which is, do you have the time off, do you have the access, there's also this question of the disinformation and the misinformation that has been so rampant throughout this pandemic. how do you undo that piece? how do you address that piece one on one? >> it's difficult. i mean, it's really hard to try to have that conversation, especially if you're going against like, you know, podcasts or things that they say on facebook. it will take a long time, and they'll be patient. however, we also have data from the cdc about what young people are concerned about. and specifically, young people who are unsure of taking the vaccine. and that data says that they are really, really concerned about side effects, and that they haven't seen enough information about side effects. and that's how we can -- that's, if you want to have a conversation, listen to their concerns and, you know, address the specific concerns. chances are, not everyone is a conspiracy theorist. some people might just have, you know, might have been receiving wrong information about the vaccine. and so that's what the data tells us. it tells us that young people are really, really concerned about side effects. >> and juanita, the other thing we keep hearing from public health officials is that they know that a person's direct care provider is often their most direct messenger. the problem with a lot of young people, they don't have a direct service provider. they might not have a gp they go to regularly. they may not have health insurance. so juanita, you know, you are a messenger. this is the work you do, at a macro level. do you think that the message is resonating and landing, or do you think it is missing the mark? >> alicea, it's clearly missing the mark, based on these trends and the vaccination rates we're seeing among young people. and they need to emphasize here is the efficacy, but also getting to an understanding of responding to why young people are not getting vaccinated. as abdullahicit reason, whether there's no access to paid leave, concerns or questions still about the vaccines, those can be answered. but i feel like with every piece of data we get, they need translate that. and that's how we can spruce up the messaging from all the public health officials, from the white house, from the cdc, to really streamline this, so it's again something that's fully accessible and relatable. but actionable, so that young people can get the information that they need and feel safe getting vaccinated. >> it does seem that one of the many pieces of pushback that people hear is about the emergency authorization use from the fda. so i wonder what you think both the fda's role is in all of this, and if you have a loved one for whom that is the final frontier is for them, what would you say to them? >> i would say that there are processes in place to get the vaccine. lots of people have gotten the vaccine and it has been a safe process. some people have suggested that the fda s

abdullah, issued a small video message saying they're in touch with the taliban. so the conversation is going, the tone is pof, positive, and there is mutual respect. i don't expect mr. karzai or mr. abdullah to be part of the taliban government, but they will be respected elders. and some day they might even be part of the council, or as we call it, "shura." >> lisa: ali jalali, a positive tone we just heard, and we just heard from torek farhadi, the best of all possible solutions. do you agree with that, about what the taliban is doing right now? >> yes. you know, it all depends on how you interpret these rhetorics into actions. people have very bad memories from the time that the taliban were in power. and later on in the areas that they controlled, about their behavior. so people are in the mood of shock and anxiety and uncertainty about what is going to happen. i think the people i spoke with, they want any government to come soon so that the people will have their normal life. and that will take some time. but immediately, now, people are concerned about their daily lives. the banks are closed and people cannot withdraw their money. the prices are high, and the services are non-exist