aclu is an acro anymore of ucla. junk science here is similar to the junk science that got ucla into the ncaa tournament. >> really? the team going to the sweet 16? how you like me now? how you like me now? >> the worst part is the aclu is being sued to get this information public because the tsa has denied every freedom of information act request that has been put to them. >> are they colluding? >> do you believe it is junk science or is there real science going on? >> i think most things are junk science. most people are concerned about their junk. >> that's right. >> figure out why isis is after it. >> jill, have you your own theory about get together airport with your own tsa program. >> do you think we should start putting on make up when we go to the airport since they are watching us so closely? >> i found the other end of the spectrum, being a frazzelled mom at the airport, very often they are like, lady, just go through. i read these officers have been used to direct passengers into faster pre checked securi

of course, as you know, there is a big split within the aclu about this. when i testified before the united states senate judiciary committee are brought with me a letter from former chairs and directors of the aclu saying that they thought that the dominant position feared from the union of democracy and civil liberties which they say they stood for. now let me address the other things and they say they stood for. now let me address the other things and getting your question. >> and i welcome runs challenged, the existential question which is what do you do when you try to get into politics to fight for things you believe in and are in the middle of the money system, a wealth primary, how you deal with that? the 1st thing i did when i announced was said i am not going to take money from corporations, partnerships llcs, people lobbying. none of those llcs, people lobbying. none of those people wanted to give me money anyway. it was an easy pledge to make, but, but i have stood by that command it has given me the power and the independence to take strong po

share director hicks the issue that was brought up by a couple of our speakers and the members of the aclu and it sounds like issues around staffing impacting families and businesses and folks in the bayview and then i don't know if i don't know if you want to be responsive about the concern about the dna lab results as well as all of the other things you have to report. >> sure. good evening commissioners and director hicks and the public. first i'll take those in the order that you gave them so i do apologize for any distress caused to miss tillison during her detention the circumstances as i as i understand it was the officers did recognize two suspects that they believed to be wearing clothing during the commission of a burglary i have not seen the the pictures that we took but i have seen the video posted that does show the 2 suspects wearing clothing and did believe he reason to take the pictures and as as far as the crime they were more like how tall are you they were not interrogatory questions regarding the actual elements of any crime that had occurred. i have been briefed on the

and both the aclu and the government feel that instead there should be more specificity about each one, why it should be withheld, and why now, or at least, documentation that the secretary of defense or another high level defense official has seen them all considered them all individually. >> all right, jefer peltz of the associated press thanks so much. and now to our signature segment. tonight, the debate about legalizing betting on sports events. like millions of other americans, earlier this week, president obama filled out his bracket predicting the outcome of the n.c.a.a. basketball tournament. as far as anyone knows, the president isn't betting money on the games, but millions of others are. and the overwhelming majority of those bets are illegal. recently, the commissioner of the national basketball association said the u.s. should consider repealing the federal ban on sports gambling. and he's not alone. there's a push underway in congress and in cash-starved states to legalize it. the newshour's william brangham reports. >> reporter: right now, millions of basketball fans in

the aclu is lasting to virginia bills which create a new sex offender registry. it was signed by the governor creating a supplemental registry. if the crime mandated a sex offender registration in 2015, the aclu says this is an added punishment beyond what was handed down. right now, a major construction project is underway in northwest d.c.. this is the second phase of the 16th street bridge. everything started around midnight. many drivers are seeing red today in the form of frustration and brake lights. reporter: traffic is flowing smoothly. there were long lines of traffic trying to merge into one single lane southbound and northbound, trying to get over the 16th street bridge. the bridge is being replaced. as a result, the signaling of traffic in each direction and the same situation below it. a single lane westbound and a single lane eastbound. this phase of the project will continue for the next four months until july. vdot is in courage to find alternate routes. a lot of people are using 13 street northwest. all of that overflow of traffic is creating mor

. >> good evening i'm the legal director of the aclu and i submitted a letter to the commission that i think was distributed to the commission and the police chief. i'm here because to express aclu's concern with what we saw on the video and what we know about the incident last week when the the the police offices were photographing 2 young african-american men and ended up arresting their lawyer who challenged the police and i don't have all of the details and i'm not here to judge the pending criminal charges but it seemed to us that this commission and i hope and the department, share our concern at the site which i think caused a lot of outrage and i'm sure it caused a particular sense of outrage and concern in communities of color, where, as we all know in this country and even in this city young men feel harassed and feel they are being stopped and what we're seeing in the video was 2 young men who had come to court had appeared were up against the wall being photographed by the police and when their lawyer lawyer questioned that they were being photographed without her being p

the aclu argues the government cannot yank the trademark simply because it doesn't like the name. however in, that same paperwork the aclu says it is joining the fight to punt the name because it does believe it's offensive. last year a federal panel ruled the trademark should be canceled, but the team is challenging that decision in court. >>> today jurors watched video of the boston marathon suspect before and after the blasts. the fbi pieced together video and photos of dzhokhar and tamerlan tsarnaev when everyone reacts to the first explosion. you can see dzhokhar calmly make his way out of the crowd. 12 seconds later new video shows him running away and 30 minutes after that the defendant is buying milk at a grocery store. the next day security cameras at the umass dartmouth gym show dzhokhar swiping in and staying about an hour. tsarnaev's lawyers admit he's responsible for the bombings but hope to avoid the death february by insuring the jury his brother influenced him. >>> a fraternity was shut down after several frat members were seen chanting racist remarks in a viral vi

in boston blacks makeup 25% of the city's population but in aclu study revealed they were involved in of police encounters. only 2 1/2% of those encounters led to seizure of contraband and in chicago blacks are 46 of vehicle stops compared to 27% for whites. the pattern is not limited to major cities new haven, connecticut blacks are 30% of population and account for nearly 47% of traffic stops. seattle police is the target of a justice department investigation in 2011 and cases like this in which a police officer is seen stomping on an latino man with complaints against the seattle pd and found a pattern of using unnecessary and excessive force and it did express concern that more than half of the incidents this which excessive force was used involved minorities in a city that is 70% white. and in north carolina protests broke out in durham after examples of police brutality and a shooting of a 26-year-old black man, the city launched an investigation earlier this year and acknowledged racial bias in policing with disparity and searches and drug enforcement of the kind of reflection

our first is the staff attorney for the american civil liberties union here representing the aclu. our second is the executive director of the grass roots leadership our third is the mary meg mccarthy, executive director of heartland alliances national immigrant justice center. i'll ask the three of you to raise your right hand and be sworn that you affirm that the information that you're about to provide to us is true and accurate to the best of your knowledge and belief. is that correct? >> yes, okay good. mr. takei? >> good afternoon and thank you mr. chairman and members of the commission. i.c.e. detention is a sprawling network of 34,000 detention beds and approximately 250 facilities composes of federal facilities, county jails and private prisons. immigration detention is intended to be civil and nonpunitive. its purpose is not to punish but simply to secure appearance at immigration proceedings and transport for removal when applicable. in practice, however, i.c.e. detention facilities overwhelmingly consist of jails and jail-like facilities. almost half of i.c.e. detainees

the aclu says the public should have all the information about the white house criteria for the list in order to debate the program's merits. coming up at 11:00 p.m. eastern a conversation with the aclu's deputy legal director, we'll find out why the group is going to court now and what's different about this lawsuit. >> in chile life lifeguards are hoping that drone technology can help to save lives testing them out on beaches drones are able to reach people in danger faster than they can giving people a chance to hang onto something while they're waiting for hope to arrive. >> sounds like a great idea. >> yeah it does. >> in south korea, the government is running a 20 minute emergency defense drill. >> in the case of a mill tray tack or defense drill few people seem concerned about the alarm drills. >> when the sirens blare everyone knows the drill. and that seems to be the problem. they know it so well relatively few people respond. around seoul city hall, civil defense teams go through their emergency responses. turning the subway into a shelter. in the nearby meong dong district

the aclu is asking for a lot of material, and frankly, they're not expecting to get all of about. but they would like to get enough, if working and can it be proved? >> let me ask you a question, there's a certain amount of stress connected with flying. you're late for a flight, the flight is delayed. and i'm wondering could that gum up the entire system? >> right because we're looking a little frazzled. good question, and tsa said that the agents are trained to factor all of that n if the weather is bad and the lines are long, and if people are angry at each other for reasons other than travel. and they help to find a baseline the matrix by which they judge people's action, but is the training enough? can the officers sense all of this? just one more question. >> in today's powerplay politics, donald trump the latest republican to step forward and make plans for a presidential campaign. he's already generating plenty of controversy. and david schuster joins us with more. >> reporter: tony, it took just 24 hours after forming an exploratory committee for donald trump to make the p

. >>> the aclu said it's siding with the redskins over the trademark on the team's name. the organization said it agrees with the team that cancelling the trademark goes against the free speech rights. however, the aclu agrees that the name is offensive and should be changed. >>> teachers in loudoun county working hard readjust their lesson plans if your kids now. the county is reporting 12 snow fewer days in school has meant that teachers are adjusting course sched that stu before e. the county will not be able to gain back lost time. >>> a dry start to the day. the everybodye evening commute may not be so dry. chuck bell is in the storm team 4 x 4 this morning in dale city. what are you up to now, chuck? >> reporter: nothing major going on here. i've been interrogating the radar to see how far the rain drops are. leading edge of the rain drops about 165 miles away. what does that mean to you? it means you should be planning on needing this between about 12:00 and 2:00 t and thereon after. rain drops coming our way. for now temperatures 37 here in dale city virginia this

. >> in 2012, the aclu seud yakima sued yakima. vote by district system.ichael cawley objected that the system suffocated opportunity. >> even if you run in a district that's got a majority hispanic living there are they registered to vote, are they going to turn out? that's going to be the big question. >> 40% of the city may be hispanic but only 22% are hispanic u.s. citizens registered to vote. the county auditor shows a chronic low turnout street. less than a quarter of voters with hispanic surnames filling out a ballot in the last election. >> a huge opportunity we need to take advantage of. >> stopping for lunch in the newly drawn first district one of two hispanic dominated voting areas, we're served by 18-year-old fernando florez, a smiling indicator of the opportunity and the challenges ahead. >> you haven't registered to vote yet? >> no, i haven't registered to vote because i'm busy, really isn't an excuse, i should have been doing it. >> are you going to? >> yes. >> all seven seats will be up by district this november. there's no official word a

in the legislature to fight the drones and wiretapping that there could be an alliance between the aclu and the libertarian republicans there is a lot of that going on especially since ferguson but long before that the battle police misconduct and police militarization and the cato institute was way ahead of the game the flagship libertarian on police militarization and we have been wanting a web site on police misconduct that you probably have all heard that there is no national database of police misconduct except maybe the one we are writing that is obviously artificial that was made by cheesier in the days of the internet's to record them but you can find examples that can be categorized by city or state. libertarians them liberals agree on opposing these foreign wars. with the decline of anti-war sentiment. but i trust we have that as an ongoing issue. though war on drugs and rework with liberals on those issues. en assays surveillance and if you remember the adjusted a mosh amendment. with the striking things to come close to pass in the house but like a lot of the thames to chang

lesbian rights and the legal national transgender equality board and transgender aging networked and the aclu and justice in aging and others i want to thank the landlord/tenant aging task force for its tremendous work and the formation of the report and following up with myself eye supervisor campos and others to move those recommendations forward thank you daniel redman that did a lot of work and colleagues that is first of its kind around breaking legislation i urge your support and also thank adam taylor in my office. >> thank you, supervisor wiener colleagues, can we take that same house, same call? we'll take that without objection. this ordinance is passed on the first reading 13 to amend the transportation code for the tour buses not registered for the charter carries from narrating while driving under the california environmental impact supervisor avalos the author is not here we've excused him we want to continue to the next item april 7th for his return. >> okay supervisor avalos made a motion to continue this item to april 7, 2015, is there a second. >> seconded by supervisor camp

lesbian rights and, transgender lawsenter and transgender equality and [inaudible] open house, the aclu of northern cal. cal advocates for nourishing home reform [inaudible] if there are no additional or questions or comments we do have a few speakers before we get to public comment and first i want to invite amie wailen who is a senior staff attorney for the national center for lesbian rights. >> good morning. as supervisor wiener said, i'm amie wailen and work for the national center for lez biben rights chblt nclr [inaudible] as we have repeatedly learned lgbt seniors are particularly at risk for isolation and early institutionization. this is because they are more likely than their straight counter parts to be single and live alone and not have childrens fwauz seniors tend to rely on families of choice composed of family or friends rb problems arise. friends and love ones not related by blood our marriage lack legal institution. problems can quickly get worse because institution teend refer to those relatives ovother people. many seniors also fear discrimination by service providers

order policy prohibiting biased policing 5.17, this interestingly was done in collaboration with the aclu here earlier. it does note that the department's guiding principal is our commitment to treat all people with dignity fairness and respect and without racial bias . the reason i i say that in the context of the conversation this is an issue that we must continually look at making sure our training is where it needs to be and something that we remain vigilant i appreciate vice president turman's leadership on that and look forward to additional reports on progress made the last thing i'd say the mayor's office convened a forum for a local initiative of my brother's keeper to look at the disparities and poor outcomes for boys and men of color. there were a number of city departments there looking at how san francisco can address poor outcomes and policing and the justice system is 1 piece of that and i'll continue to keep this commission a breast of the policy implications of that. the captain and lieutenant was there so thank you for that. that concludes my report. anyone else have a r

the court action follows the aclu's failed attempt in 2013 to challenge the nsa's warrantless wiretapping program. the supreme court shot it down on grounds that the plaintiffs could not prove they had been spied upon. since then, documents leaked by whistleblower edward snowden has revealed the scale and scope of the monitoring carried out by the nsa. >> we now know that the spying that is occurring is broader than we or the supreme court ever realized at the time our previous challenge was litigated. and the fact that the nsa is not simply surveilling the communications of its target but is surveilling the communications of a century everyone to find information, it changes this case and changes what the arguments the court will be hearing. catherine: other organizations joining include human rights watch, amnesty international, the national association of criminal defense lawyers, and the global fund for women. genie: it was the biggest u.s. pop song of the summer of 2013. robin thicke and pharrell williams's "blurred lines." it has cost them for milling dollars in damages plus $3.4 mi

the aclu filed a freedom of information act request for the information in october of 2013 but has not received any records. one of mexico's leading investigative reporters has been fired from her popular radio show in a case that has ignited protests over freedom of the press. carmen aristegui recently exposed how mexican president enrique peÑa nieto and his wife possess a $7 million mansion built for them by a contractor who received lucrative government contracts. last week, the broadcaster mvs fired two reporters on her team, accusing them of using the company's name without permission in the launch of a new whistleblowing website called mexicoleaks. after aristegui defended the reporters on her broadcast and demanded their reinstatement she was fired. speaking to reporters, she vowed to fight back. >> we have spoken with our lawyers and they tell us they have no right to do it they're doing. our lawyers tell us we're going to fight. our lawyers tell us this is an affront to freedom of expression and there are a set of irregularities and condemnable situations. amy: the obama admin

the aclu says more than 100 people died at hands of police between 2011 and 2014.he group says nearly 70% of those who died were black. the aclu says there is no formal system for tracking deaths that occur at the hands of police. >>> a dispute between g.o.p. defense hawks and fiscal conservatives is delaying a vote on a g.o.p. budget plan. the fight involves whether to loosen restrictions on using war funding to skirt tight limits on the pentagon budget. there are also some significant differences between the house and senate versions of the plan. >>> president obama says mandatory voting would be in his words transformative. he says it would counteract the influence of money in politics more than anything else. the president floated the idea during an appearance in cleveland. he says the u.s. should be making it easier, not harder to vote. >>> the d.c. police officer is due in court today to face sexual assault charges. >> darrell best is accused of assaulting two women when they were teenagers. nikki burdine is outside d.c. superior court with more. when will he

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. >> fault lines has obtained from the aclu office, emails from the ice leadership in washington to the atlanta office pointing out that they are 12 hundred deportations behind where they were the previous year. completely worried about making their quota. >> the email reads: 'please implement your initiatives and reallocate all available resources.' >> and then this is the kicker: "the only performance measure that will count this fiscal year is the criminal alien removal target." >> a year later obama lauded the results. >> we focused enforcement efforts on criminals who are here illegally, who endanger our communities. and today, we deport more criminals than ever before. >> dan martinez has been studying how the government has expanded the list of deportable offenses. >> we need to be really careful when we hear these, in the media, when we hear reports of the number of criminal aliens being removed... what does that mean? what does it mean to be a criminal alien? >> we picture people who rape, murder, rob, burglarize, assault. however there's an important piece of legislation in 19

sxhurj that does a great job but you'll hear about that many did future i've had a meeting with the aclu we intended the officer involved shooting and going to be scheduling a conversations how we use our firearms discharge review board to make sure there is transparency and we're learning from every instance we have and make sure our officers have what we 2340ed to be safe on the streets so p whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight that's my report it is lengthy but i felt the moment required it public anything. >> excuse me my voice today but just to amplify what madam chair has said this is a serious allegation, however, we must honor the integrity of the process but i want to say their going to be taken seriously if they reach our level i think you get my drift thank you. >> colleagues anything else inspector call the next item oh. >> commissioner hwang. >> on behalf of the commission i tied up the crisis intestinal tolerates to have a celebrate on the 19 it is at scottish rights center to honor officers in crisis has employed the technologies 80 tucks to use les

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was very interesting, to see even there in richmond that there could be this alliance between the aclu and the libertarian-ish republicans. there's a lot of that going on. there's a lot of talk especially since ferguson but long before that about police misconduct, about the way the police treat minority communities about police militarization, and the cato institute was way ahead of the game -- cato institute being a flagship libertarian institution -- on police militarization. and we've also for some years been running a web site called policemisconduct.net. you probably have all heard in the past few months there is no national database of police misconduct except maybe the one we're running. but -- which is obviously unofficial. we have to comb the newspapers which has been made much easier in the days of the internet to find examples of police misconduct and record them. but if you go to policemisconduct.net, you can find examples that can be categorized by city by state and so on. libertarians and liberals ideally agree on posing these endless -- on opposing these endless foreign

abc7 obtained court documents that show the text messages that aclus and insults against blacks and gay people and hispanics. a text message from november 9 201, reads: do you celebrate kwanzaa what you school? yeah, we burn the cross on the field, then celebrate whiteness. on april 18 2012, a text read 20,000 bees are in vacaville anywhere school but they're not dangerous like black people. the police chief calls the messages disgraceful. >> my expectation the police commission will share my desire to terminate these people from the police department. if you have character that incompatable with that of a police officer, then you shouldn't be a police officer. >> the four officers have been re-assigned to positions where they do not have contact with the public. the police department is interviewing anyone and everyone believed to be involved. >> some of those officers could be witnesses, some of them could be named members. i don't know hough it's going to break down. >> in san francisco, abc7 news. >> develop news out of ferguson missouri tonight, authorities charged a 20-year-old ma

. >>> the aclu reports that over a four-year period at least 109 people died during encounters with officers in maryland. the report also says 69% of those who died between 2010 and 2014 were black. the report says 38 perpetrate of 38% of the cases the individuals killed demonstrated possible medical or mental health issues or disability. >>> the secret service is conducting a third test othe white house to determine whether it contained cyanide. the first tests came back negative. a second test has a presumptive positive for the deadly substance. the letter never made it to the white house. it is screened at a facility miles away. >>> well, you wouldn't know it by the temperature, but spring officially begins friday night right? >> it was kind of bitter out there today. this cold weather is going to be around for tonight and tomorrow and maybe even some snow on friday. so top, what the heck is going on? >> yeah, i'm getting a little more bullish on this snow friday morning. it's going to come down fast and furious early friday morning. let's look ahead. we're looking at a couple of things,

thank you >> thank you very much >> eliz beth gill and a senior staff attorney of aclu of northern california. i want to say thank you for introducing this measure. we support it, it is a important civil rights measure for a vulnerable part of the population. thank you >> thank you very much for being here. >> hello, my name is daniel [inaudible] and i'm a attorney with transgender law center and i'm here on behalf of the organization to, press or support for this orbd nns. i will be short and sweet. i want to say this ordinance will improve access to necessary long term care facilities for lgbt community members in particular our transgender community members and in doing so it will insure the seniors receive the necessary care that they need. thank you. >> thank you very much. is there any additional public comment on item 1? seeing none mr. chairman may we close public comment? >> sure public comment is now closed. colleagues do you have closing remarks? >> mr. chairman thank you for hearing this today and colleagues for all your words of support and encouragement and [inaudible] thank you

i look up the laws and there is the aclu, they put it there and i don't have to have it. >> thank you very much. next speaker? >> i think san francisco is becoming the example of the most unequal city in the country because you have all of these wonderful things that's happening, all of these celebrations, and these events while in the communities right next over, you know it's doom and gloom. i also think it appalling when four youth can be murdered and you know the city hall doesn't even bat an eye. it took the people on the ground to bat an eye. it's almost like it's chalked up to kill themselves anyway. we are killing ourselves anyway. the reality is that everybody not in violence to be a victim of it. i think we've had a lot of, we've had different campaigns. we have had campaigns but the real epidemic is with young men 17 and 18 and early 20s going away for the rest of their life. the tragic thing about it or the sad and horrific thing about it is you really don't see any change in sight. it's going to be going on for another 20-30 years. it's already been going on for about 40

the aclu says there's no formal system to track deaths involved in the state but maryland's general assemblyidering bills that address police accountability. >>> also new tonight, a search in montgomery county for this man. police say he's been fraudulently using somebody's credit card but he didn't steal the card. rather he cloned it likely by using an atm skimmer at some point. cameras caught the man using the cloned card at a store in bethesda. if you have any information, call the police. >>> we've learned new details in the death of a local high school student from testimony that brought his mother to tears today. it came during a preliminary hearing. he's accused of shooting a high school student, brendan wilson back in november along the path known as "the cut." a detective says smalls admitted they lured him into the cut after they had a dispute with him. smalls reported that he kept firing in while son's body even after the first shot left him motionless on the ground. >> undescribable. i don't know how many times he was shot. he kicked him like a dead animal. treated him like a dea

aclu report said it identified more than 250,000 chicago stop and frisk encounters from mai through august which there were no arrests. >>> president obama hosted more than 100 students from 30 states at the white house science fair. the president inspected inventions and innovation. but he was particularly impressed with a device from legos that automatically turns the pages of books. >> group hug. group hug. good job. >> best hug ever. the device was dreamed up by a group of very cute girl scouts donning superman capes or super girl capes. >>> a new addition in tampa florida, very cute. a leopard club so cute born at the zoo. there you go. park staff will hand raise the cub until it is six-month-old when it will be introduced to potential mates. they say hand rearing will help them improve socialization and prevent fatal attacks. >>> now a look ahead. president obama scheduled to meet with afghanistan's new president. the two leaders are expected to discuss u.s. funding for security in afghanistan and future u.s. troop levels there. i'm milissa rehberger, you're watching "early today."

the aclu wants documents on how new jersey handled ebola.r christie said he was following policy when he ordered the quarn teeantine of a nurse that had ebola in after can. >>> and police say this man stab stabbed a man after a tour in philadelphia. one of the men is in critical condition. >>> and look at this. on monday the owner of a 5-month-old puppy left it outside tied to a pole in kensington. surveillance video shows the man grabbing the puppy and then taking off in a royal blue suv. if you recognize that vehicle call police. >>> meantime take a look at this video. nbc 10 got it from the millville school district in cumberland county yesterday. authorities say it shows a school bus aide stealing from students. police arrested the suspect they say rifled through backpacks and took bagged lunches from the kids. the authorities charged rosa rios with robbery and left. she stole from preschool kids as young as 3. >>> and a big honor for the camden county man and his son seen in this video in december. we told you how the pair took down a t

a lot more to educate our colleagues in sacramento on the importance of safety cameras and i know aclu has concerns and other interests have concerns about government video taping our our residents but i think we have to be able to showcase all of the amazing data that exists on the impacts that safety cameras have in other parts of the world and other cities that have implemented speed reduction cameras and it's important to not forget the community it's great to have the technical folks and the experts in our city departments and even us as elected officials to make phone calls and go there and having families go themselves that have lost members of their family having folks that have been injured severely injured go up and tell their stories directly to our representatives and i certainly saw that at the conference in new in new york city in october. i think we're somewhat missing here in san francisco and i know supervisor yee and i talked there's an organization of families that have lost members of their families in traffic collisions and they played an amazing role in albany in