agnew to win that area. so i do think that hubert humphrey, if he had moved earlier, would have done better. and one reason is, his campaign from september to that salt lake city speech was bedeviled everywhere with dump the hump and obscene comments and he finally got to the point himself, he was denouncing fascism out here. they won't let me speak. teddy kennedy, he was being denounce. but it turned for humphrey and he began really moving up the hill at a tremendous clip. and i remember going to nixon and saying, we have to attack humphrey to drive the wedge back through the party, because it's coming together. >> we didn't do a thing. >> very quickly, who was george wallace? >> oh, george wallace, what colorful character. pat and i were talking before the show today, and he said he used to go speak with him. so we want pat to way in, but he -- so we want pat to weigh in, but he was a populist, eventually a segregationist. so he was not in his earlier life in alabama, but he was a world war ii veteran. we

certainly i think that the critique that he makes of the news media is really very similar to what agnew was saying, but he has just racheted it up to another and i think a more dangerous level, because of two main reasons. one reason being that he made the claim which agnew and others never made, that really a rather outrageous claim, that news outlets routinely just fabricate stories based on sources that don't exist, and that's not something that we have really heard before. and then beyond that, he also applies this label to the news media that they are the enemy of the people, this rather provocative term that prior to this, had mostly been used by some of the worst dictators of the 20th century to denounce their political enemies and denounce in particular writers and intellectuals and journalists in many cases. so i think it is the same critique, but it's become even more full-throated and even more dangerous in recent years. now, there's a second viewpoint on objectivity i want to talk about and it also originated in the 1960s. it usually gets less attention than the right wing c

his running mate was spiro agnew. someone who was he didn't want ,nyone who would upstage him and spiro agnew was perfect for that. he was a maryland governor but nobody really knew him, and he was perfect for next and, who was then dwight eisenhower's vice president for eight years, so he knew what agnew was in for very well. whathe nation didn't know these men, the turmoil they were going to cause later, but that is later. -- was a "time" cover by the same artist who did this one of edmund muskie and hubert humphrey. this cover was of the three apollo eight astronauts, william anders, frank gordon, and james lovell. those men were "time" men of the year for 1960 eight, and well-deserved. i'll apollo eight -- apollo eight, amerco was in the space race with russia, and to further uppedcan interests they the schedule of apollo eight, and when you watched these things on television, it all seems to go perfectly. the documentary years after mission, the flight director was theseiewed and he gave gentle men a little more

and matthew, as you hear that platform of 1968, what led to richard nixon's selections of spiro agnew as his running mate. >> nixon in part to stave off, to hold off ronald reagan's challenge, had to assure without guaranteeing, but assure conservatives especially in the south, that he was going to pick a vice presidential candidate who was not romney, not rockefeller, who was not a liberal. a lot of conservatives didn't trust him, agnew had run in '66 as a fairly moderate republican, but he quickly established himself as an anti-radical emblem. somebody who repeatedly attacked long hairs and protesters. anti-war demonstrators, we heard talk about anarchists, from george wallace and agnew would engage in like minded rhetoric, and so the selection of agnew in a sense was a shrewd one, because it was consistent with the campaign themes that nixon was going to run on, especially again this issue of law and order, the other thing i'll say about agnew, he later on became somewhat knowing for his attacks, his really -- biting and some would say vicious attacks on the media. at one point he

spiro agnew. he wanted someone who is confident. but he did not want anyone who would upstage him, and he was perfect for that, he was maryland governor, and nobody really knew him, but he was perfect, and who had we knew that, and agnew knew what he was in for very well. but the nation didn't know what these men, the turmoil they were going to cause later. but that is later. this, by the way, isn't it a cover by the same artist that did this one, very different feel to this. this time cover was of the three apollo 8 astronauts, and it was there times, those men were times men of the year of 1968. well-deserved. apollo 8, america was in a trade with russia, and space trade with russia, and they upped the schedule for apollo 8, and it occurred around christmas time, late december 1968 of that year. and as you watch these things on television, you know, it all seems to go just perfectly and all that. in the document i came out after, years after the mission, the flight director was interviewed, and he gave these gentlemen a little mor

i would between jonathan agnew and gary lineker!he second time in a week, chelsea fans face allegations of offensive behaviour. first of all, four fans were banned from their ground after allegedly racially abusing the manchester city player raheem sterling. now uefa says it will await the referee's report from last night, after allegations of anti—semitic chanting, and a strongly worded statement released by the club says, "anti—semitism, ?and any other kind of race—related or religious hatred, is?abhorrent to this club and the overwhelming majority of our fans. any individuals that are?found to have shamed the club will face the strongest possible action." on the field, chelsea had already won their group, but they went behind against the hungarian side mol vidi after this brilliant volley. but a perfectly placed free kick from olivier giroud earned them a 2—2 draw. elsewhere, it was a night of extraordinary drama for celtic as they were beaten, but still managed to progress to the next round. they were already a goal down before

his running mate was spiro agnew. he wanted someone who was confident, but he didn't want anyone who would upstage him. spiro agnew was the maryland governor. he was perfect for richard nixon , who would have been dwight eisenhower's vice president. the termn didn't know while were going to cause later. the same artist that did this one. cover of the three in theeight astronauts middle here on the right. those were the times men of the year of 1968. apollo eight, america was in a space race. it occurred around christmas time. it all seems to go just perfectly. the documentary that came out , the after the mission flight director was interviewed. and in the documentary they interview the wives. they all said when they were saying goodbye to their husbands , they didn't know whether this was goodbye. these gentlemen knew what the art -- what the odds were. it was the first time that man, human being would leave earth's atmosphere. it was a proud moment for america. it was the right event to end year on. it was a proud m

house and carrying out his presidential duties and leaving the hard campaigning to vice president agnewt want to believe this about their president. >> pennsylvania decisively important state for the democrats drawn tonight to the republicans. kansas, connecticut, texas, michigan, delaware, arkansas and north dakota, those are the states that we show for president nixon. >> that was one of the greatest victories any president has ever had, carrying every state except massachusetts and the district of columbia. >> i think that the shadow on his victory is the watergate affair, and i believe a great many people very close to the president would like to have a move on that as one of the high priorities of his new administration. >> either have these people exonerated or get them out and persuade the country that the taint is gone if there is a real taint there. meet the roots. a family with a serious root problem. they see a bit of gray and think... [screams] luckily, there's magic root cover up from looréal. three seconds to flawless roots 3 2 1 ...done! magic root cover up from l'oreal p

agnew spored it. i'd never seen something of a liberal governor where he was very hard line, except for the jots. >> rockefeller thought he still might have a chance and was going around saying support me and agnew, and he ds i am not doing this again. fool me once, shame on me. >> governor schaefer of pennsylvania, i think it was - he was covering us and it was a beer commercial in those days, that if schaefer is the one beer to have if you are having only one. [laughter] host: democrats line. let's go to leo. parry and buchan. >> thank you for taking my call. i was a student in high school at the time. we understand this quotent of this country being created, it fills us with compassion and understanding and great thanks are given to almighty god that american stands still the guardian of freedom. thank you. host: thank you for the call. a comment not a question. guest: i will comment on that very optimistic view from 1968 and it is one that my caller shares and he wrote a book called resilient amer

anti-american bias so in the speeches that began in november of 1969, the vice president's bureau agnew had accusations against the news media that republicans had been repeating ever since the day found those that were familiar and the media of course has a liberal bias and they look down their nose at regular americans and they get all up in arms whenever anyone criticizes them and their views don't represent those of the real america. so when they make this critique it elevates it to something that the republican party can get behind as the now sitting vice president and it becomes a sort of central plank of the republican orthodoxy that remains unchanged for about 47 years after 1969, whether it is coming from republican politicians are people like jesse helms or newt gingrich you will notice i said and 47 years if you do the math from 1969 to 2016 that brings us to the campaign of donald trump and the rhetoric ever since so it's not as if anything is unprecedented. it is up to a more dangerous levethe more dangerouslevel becn reasons. others never made an outrageous claim. they are

number three, over the past couple of months i have come to know our former vice president, spiro agnew very well in my first ever podcast series which is called bagman. right now tonight the final episode has just posted. the final installment of this little mini series. it is live right now, msnbc.com/bagman. all seven episodes are free. it almost killed me. now it's time for the "last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> and rachel, please, never say never. don't say this is the last podcast you're ever going to do because there are now billions of people around the world, billions upon billions who need you to do another podcast when they finish -- you don't have to do it immediately but they're going to want another one at some point, at some point. >> i mean right now just from the cutting room floor i could do an amazing set of refrigerator poetry related to antidotes about spiro agnew that didn't make it into the podcast. but another podcast i'd have to produce and make happen, that would kill me. >> we're going to have another guest tonight where you tied it all together with the,

they get to go scot free if he's willing to take the agnew way out. the presidency for acquittals all around, not just for himself, but for his kids. you say this won't happen? then what will? will the trump kids avoid indictments? will they turn states evidence? will trump allow them to be convicted and sentenced? can he pardon them when they have evidence to bring against him? no. the reckoning in the american saga, this one may come down to the solution faced by prosecutors and richard nixon's twice chosen vice-president. leverage the office while you still have it. the courts would not have to resolve whether a president could be indicted while in office. history has already decided that a veep can. no questions a presidential son or daughter could. let's watch the probable events brick all this to a breaking point. it is going to be historic. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. /s >>> tonight on all in. >> the president of the united states is lying about the fbi, attacking the fbi,

guest: i called bob haldeman and situation and they stand agnew from taking off and else. him somewhere so i performed on apollo 13. host: were still at the agency. i was, yes. host: did you reflect on what it to be the ke astronaut in that experience? guest: no. that, again, lovell new that thing and i had confidence hin him. if they could get back they with they would couldn't be dead. it was as simple as that. many ways was in a gamble and took a lot of guts on the part of the team who said try togoing to do it and get it done. many feel that we wouldn't have made it to the moon without and it was like the defining mission that made apollo 11 possible. that sense at the time? guest: i had -- i was delighted mission he changed the to go to the moon because i didn't want to go around the earth another 14 days but i apollo 8 was a very important mission. have it say it because 8 apollo 8 couldn't happen without 7 and if perfect job done a and we could not do 8. a well thought out plan and apollo couldn't have unless job.ni did the every one of these flights was very import

he'll also join jonathan agnew in the caribbean for the second and third tests.ith the first grand slam of the 2019 two weeks away. some important touranments are underway. serena williams made a winning return — playing for the usa in the hopman cup mixed team event in perth. it's her first tournament since losing to naomi osaka in the final of the us open in september. williams beat maria sakkari in straight sets — but greece actually won the tie 2—1, with victories in the men's singles and mixed doubles. the usa next play switzerland tomorrow. williams will face roger federer in the mixed doubles. great britain's harriet dart is through to the second round at the brisbane international. she came through three rounds of qualifying to reach the main draw. the british number 4, ranked just inside the top 150, beat the australian priscilla hon in three sets. andy murray's also playing in brisbane and faces qualifier james duckworth in the first round in the early hours of tomorrow morning. the surgeon who operated on his hip earlier this year says murray may never

he'll also join jonathan agnew in the caribbean for the 2nd and 3rd tests.ost of the top players in australia for the first grand slam of 2019 just two weeks away. some important tournaments are underway. serena williams made a winning return since her loss to naomi 0saka in the final of the us open. she was playing for the usa in the hopman cup, a mixed team event in perth, and beat maria sakkari of greece in straight sets but admits she was a little rusty. yeah, it was my first match back, so, she played unbelievable, and obviously, such a good player. but, yeah, iwas obviously, such a good player. but, yeah, i was making a lot of errors. it is ok, first match, you'll get better, you'll get better. that is what i kept to think. williams' victory levelled the tie at 1—1, but she and team—mate frances tiafoe then lost the mixed doubles against sakkari and stefanos tsitsipas, as the greeks completed a 2—1victory. british no 4 harriet dart is through to the second round of the brisbane international. she came from a set down to beat australian wildcard priscil

he'll also join jonathan agnew in the caribbean for the 2nd and third tests.t playing mindgames ahead of their match against leaders liverpool7 he says the title race "is finished" for manchester city if they drop points and he has described jurgen klopp's side as "best team in europe or the world right now". after back—to—back defeats around christmas, city are back up to second in the table, following their 3—1 win at southampton yesterday. they're seven points behind leaders though who they welcome to the etihad on thursday night. if one team achieves 100 points, and the year after make aa points in the first round, if we do the same results, hopefully we can do better. so, we did well. the only problem is the other team is perhaps the best team in europe, or in the world right now, on top form and you have to accept it. all we can do is do our games, like today we did end last season we did and this season we did. and after that, we will see. and floyd mayweather‘s coming out of retirement for a fight in tokyo today. it's a very lucrative exhibition bout w

they stopped agnew from taking off and sent him somewhere else. >> you were still with the agency? >> i was, yes. >> you were still with the agency? >> did you reflect on what it would be like to be the astronaut in that experience? >> no. i figured that, again, lovell knew that thing -- i had confidence in him, confidence in people -- if they could get him back, they'd get him back, if they couldn't they'd be dead, it was as simple as that. >> apollo 8 in many ways was a real gamble and it took a lot of guts on the part of the team who said, we're going to go do this and try to get it done. many people feel we wouldn't have made it to the moon without doing that. in some ways it was like the defining mission that made apollo 11 possible. did you have that sense at the time? >> i was delighted when they changed the mission, to go to the moon. i didn't want to go around the earth for another 14 days or whatever it was. i think apollo eight was a very important mission. but you also have to say it wasn't just apollo eight that was an important mission, 8 kind of happened without 7. i

when you compare that with some of the others, nine months for ken starr, agnew nine months.nd this seems to be getting on the longer side. so i think you might see a bifurcated report maybe as joyce is suggesting. >> matthew whitaker has rejected the ethics official advice that he recuse himself from overseeing the mueller probe. how does that look? >> nobody inside of the justice department rejects the advice of the career ethics and the reason for that is a good one. d.o.j. is only as good as the public reputation it holds for integrity. one of the way d.o.j. prosecutors across the country preserve the department's integrity is by applying strict ethical guidelines to themselves. here we have an acting attorney general who says it's a close call so i'm going to ignore the guidance. it doesn't make sense. it will harm prosecutions all across the country and the worst part is that there doesn't appear to be any mechanism, internal or external, for holding whitaker accountable. the real mechanism is that he serves at the pleasure of the president. this president is pleased by

. >> so in 1968, richard nixon and spiro agnew are like in an overwhelmingly again in 1972. history intervenes when vice president you resigned and all of a sudden nixon has to nominate a vice president. now, you knew your dad was on the short list here there was a list of about 10 names circling around in your college at this point. do not graduate school, yeah. >> did you really think her father was going to be named as vice president? >> not at all. i did not think it was going to happen. my mother did not either. she was not feeling like that was in the future they are. as you remember back then, the name that was being circulated was john connolly from texas. everyone saying he's going to be the news vice president and lo and behold richard nixon because it any chooses gerald ford for michigan and rockstar worlds. >> so yes, all of the sudden we go into depth about how this all happened in a phone call and everything. that he is overwhelmed because she didn't expect this. in december of 1074 -- a make it in the years right? he is confirmed as vice president. what does h

again when he was considered, when agnew had to resign during nixon's first term, but it worked out wellbecause he wound up president. one of the reasons he got elected president in 1988 was that the country really wanted a third reagan term, and this was the closest they could get. one of the reasons he had lost four years later is that it's really hard to keep the american people happy with one party's presidency for three terms. so ser it helped, then hurd. he became, quote a -- kind republican. what do you think makes him different than most right-leaning, right-wing, if you will, republicans? >> it's -- this will sound a bit odd, but it's not his beliefs, but his manners. someone who genuinely is a product of the american establishment, a genuine representative of elite values, all of a sudden at greenwich day school and andover and yale don't look so bad. furthermore -- again, it's typical of our assessment of george herbert walker bush, one of the great things he did is that he didn't do. he did not invade iraq when he could have. he said our mission has worked out with the united

with agnew and nixon and mitchell coming into power, he explained that there was simply no point in yelling at the fuckers, they were born death and stupid. the people you were hoping to reach were incapable of hearing what you hav you have to say. it continued s. thompson and he watched her turn to the white house and it disappeared behind the trees. sidekick and in the damned and no protesters are fighting among themselves. there's a long ribbon of debris. overhead and enormous helicopter. the city spelled of the vehicle weighs dozen winter like dust and freezing rain and yellow stock and water. he said because of his jacket and marched south around in the statues and memorials reveal themselves haphazardly like relics and the individual meetings. mr. dickson city a monument to the office he finally won. [applause] thank you, everyone. this is awkward. there's one more page. i just like it when people clap a lot. i will just read these us to to print directly to paragraphs and then take questions. i'm very vain. [laughter] shout out. my baseball team is here -- and break the tension. okay

spiro agnew was in deep legal trouble already. but i said we're going change presidents and vice presidents within a year. this was a wild thought, but it was my instincts of what i was picking up and smelling and seeing. and that's what's going on now. look, the senate -- the senate has rebuked him twice now, one on khashoggi and one on the war in yemen. people have said things out loud about mattis leaving that they wouldn't have said before. lindsey graham, the president's great ally, even mitch mcconnell said something. >> yeah. >> so you can see a distancing. it's been starting. it started before the midterms, and it keeps happening. and you can tell the degree of worry up there that this is a dangerous man. they don't know what he's going to do. and the fact that there is nobody around him who can stop him, they're more and more worried about leaving him in mid office. some of these are patriots, but also, they don't want to be keeping him in office if he is really destroying the party or the country. >> all right. elizabeth

you thugh the library at spiro agnew in the 1980s. president nixon couldn't stop writing letters.to the office. 41 would not offer a nod unless asked. 43 would occasionally ask.ed he aob 43 would occasionally asked. he asked about bob ges becoming secretary of defense. he wanted jim baker at that period when donald rumsfeld left. he wanted baker to do the triple crown being state treasury and dafense and he called his to ask about that. more conversations than we know or appreciate. but there was never a moment and president bush used to talk about this. they neverat around and talked wout at walker's point and the old man said this t you have to do about medicare. the family dynamic was different. >> let me bring in, what is the political dynasty, if you will. is it somethey talked about as a family or unfold on its own? >> i think none of them liked

cutting room floor i could do an amazing set of refrigerator poetry related to antidotes about spiro agnew that didn't make it into the podcast. but another podcast i'd have to produce and make happen, that would kill me. >> we're going to have another guest tonight where you tied it all together with the, it's all one project. the russian project to influence our election and the trump project to build a trump power in moskow and the motive that exists that's finally been revealed. donald trump's motive that has been revealed by the new michael flynn -- michael cohen guilty plea. we have a former deputy special prosecutor picking up on your points of this your extraordinary op-ed today about this motive which really is the new element of the story. thank you, rachel. >>> well, it was a day of high crimes for the president of the united states. the congress that adopted articles of impeachment in the house judiciary committee against president richard nixon would have used each of the president's tweets today about robert mueller's investigation as a separate article of impeachment against

. >> not speiro agnew. >> tidick cavett, thank you so much. >> don't mention it. whatever that means. >>> and from the fullness of one exceptional life, we turn to live, just getting started. our next guest is college admissions consultant hannah stockland, since her own rocky road into harvard university, she has made a living giving kids with a pass into universities across america. a career that's seen her attract a specific and somewhat controversial clientele, young men accused of sexual misconduct. she argues that before we decide what to do with bad men, we must determine which ones are bad. it is a difficult task, as she tells our michelle martin. >> hannah, thank you so much for talking with us. >> thanks, i'm glad to be here. >> i understand that you actually have an interesting educational journey yourself. you got your ged, and then you actually transferred to harvard, but just tell me a little bit about how all of that happened. >> i flunked out of high school, i had straight f's my last three semesters. i didn't think i was college material, i got a

the name that comes to mind for me is former vice president spiro agnew who cut a deal to resign and pay a hefty fine so he wouldn't have to go to jail and resigned as vice president during the nixon administration. he was receiving bags of money in the old executive office. the criminality that this president is being accused of is multiple. his family is entwineed as well. i think the president must be feeling really squeezed and we're seeing that reflected in the number of tweets that he is issuing, some of which don't really make sense. >> it's funny brought up the tweets because i'm going to david about this. i'm asking you to make sense of these tweets for us. i know, it's a tall order. let me put this one up. he obviously talks a little about michael flynn but i'll read you the last tweet within a few minutes of us starting. the russian witch hunt hoax started as at insurance policy lock before i even got elected. it's very bad for our country. they are entrapping people for misstatements. lies or unrelated things that took place many years ago. nothing to do with collusion. a

. >> due to work done by my colleague agnew fillip,eted predating this surge of children at the bordercouple of years previous, the youngtown facility had two el negotiation of child sex abuse, child-on-chil issues that were investigated, and since then we have learned there have been two southwest key employees who workt at other shelters who have beenrrested, one who's been convicted on i think it's eight different unts involving child maltreatment. he's set to be sentenced late there are month. another man was arrestedand i'm not clear what has happened to his case e, but there hen problems not just at this one facility that is now closed but at others tt aretill operating. but those incidents pre-dated sort of this wave of children that came in in the summer of '18. >> befe we go, can you tell me, because you have been reporting on this space for a while,n kind oideo is rare. how difficult is it for us to understand what's happeni inside these government contracted shelters housing migrant children? >> oh, i think it's very difficult. i mean, the only time that we - meanr staff --

. >> and a vice presidential model with spiro agnew, my buddy. i know. we didn't know pruitt was under criminal investigation until he left the epa months later. we know that about zinke even as he leaves. >> and there are so many investigations now in trump world that some of them, surely some of them will outlive at least this first and possibly only term of the trump presidency. >> people are now starting to make lists of what actual like criminal investigations we know are under way with regard to the trump administration, and you have to compartmentize them. you have to do the ones just about the president and his family, just about about current cabinet members, just about other organizations that the president ran. i mean, you have to narrow it done down. >> it's a lot. thank you, rachel. >>> 17. as of tonight there are 17 investigations of the president of the united states. with robert mueller and his team of special prosecutors leading the way. and so if you're donald trump, you've got to ask yourself the dirty harry question. you've got to ask

you've got spiro agnew, the vice president, taking cash bribes in an envelope inside of the white houseave mitchell, the attorney general, with a safe in his office stocked with cash that was used to pay for dirty tricks and all kind of illegal conduct. all of that stuff was going on at the same time as the central question of what does the president know, did he order this, had was he involved in a cover-up. so you know, you can -- you can stick to the main threat, and i think the public is trying in its own way to do that, but then when you see all of this other stuff going on, i think that really sort of indicates that we've got a serious political problem, and even if there are no legal consequences, there will be political consequences for this kind of conduct. >> errol lewis, joey jackson, thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. >>> nine months after being fired by the president, former secretary of state rex tillerson gets candid about his former boss. >> he acts on his instincts, in some respects that looks like impulsiveness. but it's not as intent -- not his inten

he'll also join jonathan agnew in the caribbean for the second and third tests.l could be the "best team in the world right now". his manchester city side are back up to second in the league, after they ended their short losing streak with a win over southampton. they're seven points behind leaders liverpool, who they play on thursday. if one team achieves 100 points, and the year after make 44 points in the first round, if we do the same results, hopefully we can do better. so we did well. the only problem is the other team is perhaps the best tea m the other team is perhaps the best team in europe, or in the world right now, on form and you have to accept it. or we can do is do our games, like today we did end last season games, like today we did end last season we did and this season we did. and after that, we will see. the premier league are searching for a new chief executive again, they thought they'd found one a few weeks ago — susanna dinnage had agreed to take over from richard scudamore in the role and was due to start in the new year, but she's now cha

the 1973 memo that was written was really addressed to the vice president who -- spiro agnew who was claiming, you can't prosecute me, you can only impeach me and the legal counsel issued the opinion that, no, mr. vice president, you're wrong, you can be indicted, it's the president who can't be indicted and then that was reaffirmed in 2000 during bill clinton's but not major changes in the thinking in the opinion. it is a dubious policy, and particularly since we do have now a 25th amendment that a president who can't fulfill his duties can be replaced by the vice president temporarily and then you could proceed with a case and not really disrupt the operations of the government. >> anne, quickly, before we go, could he go to jail for this? >> if he were -- my view is he will not be charged by robert mueller for this. it's just mueller's going to follow the existing department of justice precedent, whether or not he lawfully, constitutional could. >> but let's say after -- >> if he is in 2020 and the statute of limitations, which i believe is five years, would not have run and he wa

number three, over the past couple of months i have come to know our former vice president, spiro agnewn my first ever podcast series which is called bagman. right now tonight the final episode has just posted. the final installment of this little mini series.

the resignation of vice president spiro agnew who had been taking bribes and not paying his taxes. >>the vice president of the united states effective immediately. >> i will have nothing more to say at this point. >> reporter: the naming of a new vice president. >> congressman gerald ford of michigan. >> reporter: and that same day, a fateful court ruling. >> u.s. court of appeals has ruled decisively against mr. nixon's position on his secret white house tapes. >> reporter: the white house tapes, potential evidence of a watergate cover-up. for months nixon had been fighting to keep them secret. now a federal court ordered him to turn them over. saying the president was not above the law. but nixon had other plans. >> president nixon announced he will neither appeal nor comply with a federal court order to turn over the watergate tapes to federal judge. instead the president said he will provide a summary of the tapes to both the judge and the senate watergate committee. >> reporter: committee chairman sam urban was spectacle. >> i would insist on a verbatim transcript because i'm not

they stopped agnew from taking off and sent him somewhere else. so i performed in apollo 13. >> you were still with the agency. >> i was. >> did you reflect on what it would be like to be the astronaut in that experience? >> no. i figured that -- again, lovel knew that thing. i had confidence in him. if they could get them back, they would get back. if they couldn't, they'd be dead, it was as simple as that. >> apollo 8 was a real gamble and it took a lot of guts on the part of the team that said we're going to do this. and many feel we wouldn't have made it to the moon without doing that. in some ways it was the defining mission that made apollo 11 possible. did you have that sense at the time? >> i was delighted when they changed the mission to go to the moon. because i didn't want to go around the earth for another 14 days or whatever it was. but i think apollo 8 was a very important mission. but you know, you also have to say, it one just apollo 8 that was an important mission. 8 couldn't have happened without 7. if wally and his crew hadn't d

there was -- there was a feeling among the press that when the -- when the vice president, spearo agnew resigned, ford was appointed vice president by nixon. there was a theory that nixon knew he was in trouble and he thought he would appoint ford who would be more protective of him. so i think that's one of the things that happened, and then about a month after ford became president, nixon resigned, ford became president and then ford pardoned nixon. and what he said was, he was spending 25% of his time, the staff was spending 25% of its time on leftover nixon matters and he needed to spend 100% of his time because the vietnam war was going on, big depression in the country and so forth. i think there has always been this view that there was a deal that if nixon would appoint ford his vice president to replace the resigned vice president, then ford would promise to not -- to save nixon from -- >> the question about your resignation and how that affected you -- >> well, the way it affected me was -- >> you didn't -- you didn't resign? >> no. it's the other way around. >> jerry -- >> res

spiro agnew in the 1980s. president nixon couldn't stop writing letters.e asked about bob gates becoming secretary of defense. he wanted jim baker at that period when donald rumsfeld left. he wanted baker to do the triple crown being state treasury and defense and he called his dad to ask about that. more conversations than we know or appreciate. but there was never a moment and president bush used to talk about this. they never sat around and talked about at walker's point and the old man said this is what you have to do about medicare. the family dynamic was different. >> let me bring in, what is the political dynasty, if you will. is it something they talked about as a family or unfold on ow

. >> richard, you are knee deep in agnew right now. >> please, i wouldn't put it quite that. >> you're well into your research about -- >> gerald ford. okay. >> but my point is just picking up on jeffrey rosen's comments about moments and turning them into teaching moments. so if you have a period of time where there's antagonism with the press or use of executive orders, can we historically use them as teaching moments? >> you know, it's interesting. the unacknowledged privileges of being a historian is the option if you don't like the present to live in the past. and i'm doing that right now. very happily. you know sh it, it's funny. i look at this differently. that is the relationship between journalists and historians. it's sort of like in oklahoma, musical, the song with the farmers and the cowboy "should be friends." i'm not sure -- ironically, some of our best historians are journalists. maybe vice versa. there's a reason though thafr it said that journalists write the first draft of history. the classic example in modern times is dwight eisenhower who at the first poll after a

. >> the conservatives complain about the conservative media, spiro agnew, none of it matters anymoreteresting. we are so far beyond that now. trump is a pathological, mentally unstable person and that's what journalists should be saying every day. >> he lies. >> euphemisms. >> exactly. we need to know that because -- because frankly we have the history of our country in our hands and to consistently clarify, this is a lie, it is a lie, today he is lying. we have to say that. we cannot sit back and let this be some kind of normality. >> 69% of americans in the past ten years have said they no longer trust the media -- >> evan -- evan, gada go. >> i was going to get the last word. >> we have already gone over. evan siegfried, eric bowler and mariana hossa, thank you for being here. >>> a closer look at the special counsel's special investigation and why donald trump may worry about the next move. even snl is starting to predict what's next. >> you don't see me for a while, donny. i prefer presidents who don't get indicted. >> come on, i'll buy you a llama and we'll get drunk. >>> i tol

spiro ago knn agnew, two months. nixon himself, 12 months.the 20th month on bob mueller's investigation, who i respect greatly. >> a long time. >> i'm in favor of moving this case forward and bringing it to a close if that, indeed, is what the evidence suggests. >> i think we are all interested in seeing this case move forward and what it reveals. thank you so much for joining us this morning. >>> coming up, 2019 may be just two days away, but many voters and candidates are already seeing 2020. we'll have more on that coming up next. up next. re's to first dates! you look amazing. and you look amazingly comfortable. when your v-neck looks more like a u-neck... that's when you know, it's half-washed. add downy to keep your collars from stretching. unlike detergent alone, downy conditions to smooth and strengthen fibers. so, next time don't half-wash it. downy and it's done. if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture now might not be the best time to ask yourself are my bones strong? life is full of make-or-break momen