we only have a job at the air and space museum." and i said, "i'm a 19th century historian. nothing about air or space, and i hate airplanes." and then he said language that was so instructive to me as a secretary. he said, "young man, how much money are you making now?" and i told him. he said, "you'll make four times that if you become-- and work for me at the air and space museum." i said, "i'll become an air and space employee." and that's really how my career began, by luck. david: you also met your wife there? lonnie: air and space was erything. i met my wife there. i learned about how to be a curator there. i learned about the wonders of the smithsonian. so for me, my whole life has been shaped in part by the smithsonian. david: so you were recruited away for a while to go to california and a museum there. and what was that? lonnie: i went away to run, to be the first curator of the california african american museum. it was the first sta-funded museum that explored issues of race. and i went there before the olympics of 1984. so my big jowas to do a major exhibition

one of the reasons why russia has not been able to gain the air is superior to control over their air space over ukraine, as potent issues veiled nuclear threats. how strong as needles deterrence today, and how well as a position to confront security threats of the future, including those posed by china, ah, secretary general suttonberg, welcome to conflicts own thanks more for him, his arm in the past week ukrainian city is far from the front lines including the capital, keith had been waking up to deadly russian air strikes, which appear to be targeting infrastructure in civilian areas. what do you think put in haines to achieve what the strikes i think the aim is to reduce them, the termination of the ukranian people to stand up against the brutal russian invasion of the country. but i think he will fail. she has failed in all the all the attempts in trying to take control of your claim since the nation in, in february. this demonstrates the brutality of the war. it demonstrates how we see civilian casualties and i will so critical attribute an infrastructure is attacked on it. just also

and american recognizance drones flew in international airspace without entering the air space of the russian federation. and presumably at transmitter coordinates and actually coordinator the actions of a swarm of ukrainian drones. all this say itself one task to identify the air defense points that allocated and sebastopol format of the work of the air defense . and to understand in general the cities defenses. for unexpectedly, when it was on approach to the city, the ships of the fleet in particular, missile frigates met the drones with anti aircraft fire artillery in short range, anti aircraft systems targeted the drones, the whole city heard the explosions, windows shaking in some houses. there was no destruction on the ground or casualties like may or the city promptly inform residents about the work of the a defense through social network was asking every one to stay in place and the duty services remain on full alert. however, not a single drone was able to break through the missile the fence of the black sea fleet on it after that became known in the waters of savannah to fa

he's allowed russia to use a land in the air space and for operations, but he's managed to stay out of actually committing troops. lee himself, the launching of these are radiant drones from belarus. that was, that was the next step when the and certainly the ukrainians have to be thinking about how do they preempt or how do they stop these things from happening. if lucas shanker sends any of his troops actually into a fight with alongside russian troops up with them, he knows i think that they will be destroyed. the soldiers of valor is the 10 battalion technical groups and they have their even worse and less competent than the russian soldiers. and so he knows that they will be eliminated immediately. and this will create real problems for him more vulnerability domestically. and i think miss just can i. she said yesterday, so not a message to soldiers. bowers do not follow any illegal orders from lucretia, and i hope that they are listening. looking ahead, where do you see all this heading general with the stakes so high and both sides apparently bent on escalation? well, um, yes, t

station was destroyed fighting in the production of the united states fighter aircraft of the russian air spacebthe settlement of the new vladimirovka , nikolaev region, an mig-29 of the air forces of ukraine was shot down by means of air defense during the day, six unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of settlements, grakovo, kharkov region, novochervonnoe, luhansk people's republic staromayorskaya harvest and dokuchaev of the donetsk people's republic. in addition, 15 shells were destroyed in the air during the day. american zalcovarian propulsion system, hammers in the areas of settlements boxes, cheerful antonovka novaya kakhovka tokarevka and rakovka, kherson region, one projectile multiple launch rocket system alder, in the area of ​​\u200b\u200bthe settlement. new kakhovka, kherson region, and two anti-radiation missiles in the area of ​​​​the settlement . antonovka, kherson region, just from the beginning of the special military operation, 313 aircraft, 157 helicopters, 2151 unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed. 79 anti-aircraft missile systems 5.376 tanks and other c

the russian ambassador was summoned, and they have a fledgling airport and air space. imagine this there was a collision there. but yeah, these missiles struck far into western ukraine near nato's eastern flank. i put forward a number of ideas in that op-ed piece, but among them is to put more restrictions on russian travelers, but also immediately to lift those u.s. restrictions on the range of the himars missiles and also to immediately deploy more air defense systems. and if i can, victor, i have to say, my government of canada, i'm hoping we will grow some spine, aside from things like expelling russian diplomats who engage almost every day in misinformation, the europeans have expelled 20. but also creating ukrainian servicemen, closer to the board we are ukraine or inside ukraine. there's no time to waste pushing back russian forces. so that training needs to be done a lot closer to the battlefield. >> general, you just heard from michael specifically, adding those longer range missiles to the arsenal provided to the ukrainians. >> well, i think somewhat we're tr

well, such as air space is also a follow-up to people to pursue.t the guys will be interested in plunging into a new direction, because we see today great interest. in general, to the activities of the technopark, let's say, where are the applications submitted by children, how is the educational process going, who are these people? who teaches them to know. today, we also conduct training on the basis of higher educational institutions. we have partner universities, and uh, in their laboratories. we are directly conducting classes today and, uh, it means that the teachers are the teachers of these universities of higher educational institutions, and here it should be noted that it is completely, uh, well, such a different level, or something, elevated level and the guys cope they like it. what age? we are, uh, accepting the ninth, tenth, eleventh grade, what projects are the guys working on now? these are indeed directions. that's what we could you know, uh, as i said the direction is different from robotics to biotechnology, so, well, let's say.

the main base light safely to the classical, a flu in international airspace about entering the air space of the russian federation and presumably transmitter coldness and actually coordinate the actions of a swarm of ukrainian drugs a.

this time, it flew more than 20 minutes passing japanese air space at 17 times the speed of sound. the missile traveled more than 2800 miles farther than any of this year's 23 missile tests. japan calls it an act of violence. >> i think what it tells us is the north koreans are in no mood to talk. they're in the mood of testing and blowing things up. >> why? >> well, i think the north koreans tried their hand at diplomacy in the trump administration and didn't get what they wanted. >> reporter: now, an unprecedented testing bing accelerating since u.s. vice president kamala harris visited the heavily armed dnz, dividing north and south korea. >> in the fonorth we see a brut dictatorship, rampet human rights violations and an unlawful program that threatens peace and stability. >> reporter: kamala harris said we could for complete denuclearization. sounds like the same language they have been using for years. >> absolutely. denuclearization is history as a failed policy. there is simply no practical plan at this point in the short term to bring north korea to the negotiating table a

and, we'll be right back, with a cele >>> the smithsonian's air and space museum celebrates remarkablending on the moon. and this week, a new era is set to launch. here's cbs' meg oliver. >> reporter: you had to take out all of these aircraft? >> everything. >> reporter: a massive undertaking, part of a billion-dollar renovation to the national air and space museum. why did it need to be rebuilt? >> it was, frankly, worn out. we really had to rebuild the entire structure. >> reporter: almost half the exhibits are newly on-display. new aircraft-- real ones, and those from the movies. new interactive games... this is a fun physics lesson. >> exactly. >> reporter: ...and some old memories. >> this motorcycle is what evel knievel used to jump 14 greyhound buses. >> reporter: i remember it well. mario andretti's race car is here, too. >> reporter: in this gallery, we talk about going fast, and the quest for speed, not just how it plays out in aircraft, but in other parts of our world. >> reporter: but space is still well-represented. >> this is how the astronauts view earth. >> reporter: an

believes serhii syrovyk he is known for the fact that, without serving in aviation, he headed the air spaceces and before that, the air group of the russians in syria, he was 56 just today, the head of chechnya kadyrov called him a real warrior and the founder of a private military campaign wagner prigozhin is a legendary personality, so who is serhiy surovikin , the military commentator of the russian service of the bbc ilya drumanov tells, one of the most famous officers of the russian army, general sirovykin, the family of the most famous officers of the russian army, when the soviet union was collapsing in 1991 and the army was bypassing moscow , three young men tragically died in the tunnels under the new arbat, who were later posthumously awarded the title of heroes of russia by president boris yeltsin. this is still standing in the center of moscow was a column led by a young officer syroikin. after that, he spent several months in prison and was released at the behest of yeltsin in the middle of the 90s, he once again found himself under investigation and was even sentenced for ille

the so-called special military operation against ukraine in russia, previously he commanded the air space forces russia, and recently by the southern group of occupation troops in ukraine. meanwhile, lukashenko transferred the state security committee of belarus to his subordination, the belarusian dictator signed a decree on changing the position of the country's state security bodies, previously the state security committee was also subordinate to the belarusian government and the security council, now they are subordinated exclusively to lukashenka, this is called an improvement in the decree, i quote, there are many testimonies about the activity of the kdb in belarus as a repressive body about illegal detentions, torture and disappearances without a trace opposition activists kherson is ukraine in the temporarily occupied city resistance to the russian invaders continues activists of the civil resistance movement the yellow ribbon continues to demonstrate its presence to the enemy, in particular, they carry out marking with the letter y and draw patriotic graphics, while at the same

standing by that they could easily deploy nato's fixed wing aircraft ability to penetrate. rush in air spaces, nell rushes, anti or missile defense system is superb. the west has nothing compromise. so when you put all of this together, what, what you're seeing is that nato is beginning to recognize that it's just the white elephant. and it, it has no more relevance to the 21st century. but the parallel as us, on the eve of world war to the united states still had a horse cavalry, and a horse calvary was no longer, no longer relevant to war. all right, gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break, and after that, frank will continue our discussion on the conflict in ukraine staying with awe. so abortion was illegal in the united states until the case of roe vs wade. i had an abortion. i am a mother today because i had an abortion in 2012 and that abortion saved my life. and we are here to fight for women's right. by the constitution actually is no life and rewarding children. are persons they should be afforded the right to life is every other person they shouldn't be murdered, just because

appearance of this ukrainian drone and there are using combat drones to the very appearance in russian air space. it is a, an important indicator that, while ukraine probably is defying this message, where jose's higher reaction to the strikes as journey rush to promise ukraine advanced air defense systems. the u. k. is for mister bradley, the russian response as unacceptable. and this sodium prime minister, called russia country, his using terrorist tactics employs is full support for ukraine. despite the fight with just days ago, his own foreign minister congratulated ukraine on blowing up part of the crimea bridge, where 3 civilians were killed. shelling across ukraine, including ki, if shows russia terry's tactics. this makes it even more acute to establish trevino for crime of aggression. i suggested to as a live under lion that you could help lead these efforts. estonia certainly welcomes this and congratulates the ukrainian special operations units who are expected to be behind this operation. early earlier we held a discussion on this issue with scott ritter for the us marine corps intel

is one of the reasons why russia has not been able to gain the air superiority control over the air space over ukraine. and that has been a big disadvantage for the troops dropped the operation day. they expected that they were going to take control of space, have not been able to take control of the space over ukraine. this is of course, 1st and foremost because of the skills to the nation or the crating on forces using the defense systems that will be the old soviet types of air defense. what need to allies have done is that we have provided i'm in the ship to those old systems. and then we are also bringing in new systems on the basis example is the, is the german system demonstrate in germany is now actually being important to keep it is to, to, to ukraine. and they will make them even more difference in the, in the future. reintroduce combing was also the main message from the defense municipal. so we need to ramp up support also everything from winter clothing generators, tense so we can help ensure that you can, you can operate through into let's talk a little bit more about the ur

to change the situation by appointing a new commander surovikin who came with the command of the air spacens the situation in this type of armed forces, what are the capabilities of the force, and we saw that yesterday was the first time in such a massive kiya, the amount of the applied surovitin gained experience, and more recently , twice he was responsible for the air component of the grouping of the troops of the russian federation there in syria and that's why it showed itself as if it received a karblash from putin about all the removed fuses, and we saw a massive effort to hear than every day how they analyze, to repeat, there are no such opportunities in fact, all more or less modern ones were used, not only as cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, various m-m platforms, the seeds of the use of this land-based scanner and e-calibers from sea, sea-based and air systems of the hut in 101 and others and we see that our anti-flood defense , despite the fact that the weapons have, let's say , the soviet ones since the last century, proved to be quite effective according to the indicators

collects various intelligence on the eve of the strikes - this is going on we are talking about air space well as ground intelligence, so there are enough agents here, that is exactly why this is done in order to bypass our ukrainian military intelligence, to find weak points in it and in this way to impress what is possible as much as possible. our e-e air force and all other armored forces are ready. we also have certain tactical techniques, we also have intelligence. and in fact, we are countering these means, as we saw yesterday, more than half of the missiles were still destroyed, it is very difficult to do complex soviet-made that yes , this is also the book m1 s300 of the 1970s, but it is also done thanks to those people. you are precisely the dedication and, well, professionalism, what kind of experience already acquired in these 7 months seems to achieve such results. well, let me remind you that hust 101 rockets uh, it's 13 million dollars, the caliber is 6 million, and the scandal is about 3 million dollars. well, the scandal is ballistic and it's impossible to shoot down, or r

federation. in russia of a special military operation against ukraine , he previously commanded the air spaceces of the russian recently south-grouped occupation forces troops in ukraine lukashenko inspected the state security committee of belarus and transferred it under his authority, the belarusian dictator signed a decree on change on the change in the position of the country's state security bodies, previously the state security committee was also subject to the government of belarus and the security council, now they are subordinated exclusively to lukashenko, this decree is called this improvement exists many testimonies about the actions of the kgb of belarus as a repressive body, about illegal detentions, torture and disappearances of opposition activists without a trace, 240 more russian occupiers will return home in black bags, our soldiers are actively destroying the enemy's equipment and turned into scrap metal, another nine tanks, 13 armored combat vehicles, 10 artillery systems of the invaders and our defenders also landed one plane and 17 drones of the attackers, the russians

one of the reasons why russia has not been able to gain the air, is superior to control over the air space over ukraine, as potent issues veiled nuclear threats. how strong as needles deterrence today, and how well is it position to confront security threats of the future? including those posed by china. ah, secretary general suttonberg, welcome to conflicts own bankers commercial home is, are in the past week. ukrainian city is far from the front lines, including the capital key, had been waking up to deadly russian air strikes, which appear to be targeting infrastructure in civilian areas. what do you think put names to achieve what these strikes? i think the aim is to reduce them, the termination of the ukranian people to stand up against a brutal or russian nation of the country. but i think he will fail. she has failed in all in all the attempts in trying to take control of your claim since the nation in, in february. this demonstrates the brutality of the war. it demonstrates how we see civilian casualties and i will so critical attribute an infrastructure is attacked on it. just als

> >> o'donnell: the smithsonian's air and space museum celebrates remarkable moments, like landing on meg oliver. >> reporter: you had to take out all of these aircraft? >> everything. >> reporter: a massive undertaking, part of a billion-dollar renovation to the national air and space museum. why did it need to be rebuilt? >> it was, frankly, worn out. we really had to rebuild the entire structure. >> reporter: almost half the exhibits are newly on-display. new aircraft-- real ones, and those from the movies. new interactive games... this is a fun physics lesson. >> exactly. >> reporter: ...and some old memories. >> this motorcycle is what evel knievel used to jump 14 greyhound buses. >> reporter: i remember it well. mario andretti's race car is here, too. >> reporter: in this gallery, we talk about going fast, and the quest for speed, not just how it plays out in aircraft, but in other parts of our world. >> reporter: but space is still well-represented. >> this is how the astronauts view earth. >> reporter: and better represented? women and people of color, like in this plane, flow

i will highlight three components, the first is air space reconnaissance, the second is anti-missile defense and the third is maneuverable ground defense and offensive operations, and it is in these domains that it actually needs to develop its own industry and military-technical component. if we take these three points of our further conversation as a basis, that is, anti-missile intelligence air defense in the nuances and mobile defense, we will probably start with reconnaissance, vyacheslav, you take part in hostilities, do you understand the peculiarity of these tactics of the enemy on the battlefield, what is important from the point of view of providing the needs of the intelligence capabilities of the ukrainian army. what is lacking and what does the enemy have in terms of what he can do to overcome us in order to know his strengths and methods of countermeasures? maybe in my opinion , that is, my experience. in connection with the fact that aerial reconnaissance is especially now when the weather conditions are, let's say, not very favorable, it has become less effective, and

appearance of the ukrainian drone and there are using combat drones to the very appearance in russian air space. it is a, an important indicator that, while ukraine probably is defying this message. so it has struck in at least 12 cities. prisons and lansing said 12 people killed. he also confirmed key and then he systems were hit. ah, you grain energy mrs. said the strikes against the countries energy infrastructure were the strongest since the thought of the conflict. russia says military command centers were also targeted from the u. s. marine and geopolitical analyst, brian ballistics, as russia had an obligation to retaliate after keith crossed mustard, red lions. i don't think it comes as a surprise at all. we watch ukraine and carry out the bombing on the caribbean bridge. we have watched ukraine and it's sponsors, not only cross rushes red lines, but then on the other side, russia had the obligation to retaliate. if they did not ukraine, it, sponsors would begin to think there are, there was no, nothing, no consequence. it is a red line. well, within russia, they, russian bridge there a

russian army entered ukraine from the territory of belarus, and all these eight months, you have air spaceockets, iranian drones uh, on ukrainian cities, and that's why they are of course very afraid of a retaliatory strike on a belarusian military object from the side of ukraine. a-a told the ukrainian publication that it could be that the prime minister of belarus ihor makei traveled, he did not travel . that is not possible because they are terribly afraid of the economic sanctions that have been introduced against the lukashenko regime. fortunately, western politics is no longer bought on the basis of crying and crying . that the belarusian regime is absolutely dependent on the military, political, economic, and economic regime of putin, and there are no opportunities for independent actions . that is, the situations for him are absolutely professional. well, this is a shame, look, but still, the west said last week that he could strengthen the sanctions against belarus in particular the european union, what lukashenko is afraid of now is different from what the west can beat, that is,

system of nato countries in order to receive information from the country about the situation in the air spacef ukraine. i think that now this path will simply be continued and remembering. by the way, what you just mentioned about awak. i think it would be ideal if we integrated the potential of the vision of awaks into the capabilities of our air defense system, because it removed the problem of lack of our revolutionary field in individual sections. i think that this may just be one of the components of such an integrated system of anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense and one note, do you remember mr. serhiy, we had projects including with the swedes regarding the creation of aircraft based on the antonov planes, the source, and then according to the plan for ukraine, there would be at least four planes that would provide constant cover and constant long-range radiation detection of targets. i think that now it is very relevant because i will repeat once again the threats we have, in fact, if we talk about covering the battlefield, it is mainly if we talk about air targets, it is still ma

appearance of this ukrainian drone and very all using combat drones to the very appearance in russian air space. it is a, an important indicator that, while ukraine probably is defying this message. so it will suck in at least 20 cities present. the last he said, 12 people kill. he also confirmed key energy systems will hit the grain energy. mr. said that the slice against the countries energy infrastructure were the strongest. since the thought of the conflicts, russia says military command centers are also targeted. former us marine and via preschool analyst brian valencia says russia has an obligation to retaliate arms and heave cross moscow's red lines. and other reactions. in other reactions, germany amounts, it will be providing ukraine with cutting edge air defense systems. the u. k. is for mass of branded the attacks unacceptable. while the stone employ message depicted russia as a country who's deploying terrorist tactics and also pledged its full support for ukraine despite the fact that just days ago his own form as a congratulated ukraine on blowing up the crime in bridge with 3 civ

. >>> after nearly four years of renovations, washington's national air space museum is opening eight galleries in its west wing tomorrow the rest of the exhibit still a couple of years away it's all part of a massive billion dollar overhaul so what's the money buying? here's nbc's peter alexander. >> from the moment you set foot inside the air and space museum's hall you can't help but look up. >> america's journey to the sky and beyond will take you away. >> this is a new set of exhibits is really unlike anything anybody in america has ever seen. >> absolutely. >> the experience for guests now more dynamic and interactive. >> this is what it would be like to be on an asteroid. >> christopher brown is the museum's director. >> whether you're a child or an adult coming in here, the hope is and certainly the expectation is you walk through here and you will learn something. >> it's all part of a seven year $1 billion effort to re-energize the museum bringing it into the 21st century the punctuation of a painstaking process where the smithsonian's team removed and reinstalled countless

back off we had from a neighbor military jets into pakistan, years this proclaimed focus on the air space into our territory and into a territory. and then back and neutral on it was proven that the claims that the made of a you know, going after terrorists outfits, et cetera. none existed. only cheese existed over there. right now when something like this happens, i cannot make the case that you don't need mimicry. spending anymore, i need we need to have jets, which are in a position to be able to fight back. so when you have confrontations, leg that you are in need, you are ensuring that our i wish i owed our desire to be able to swore will be completely from that type of spending and going to serious, you know, adaptability of, forget it up to, belittle i mean adaptability is a major part of what we need to do, but this also we're still struggling with proper education infrastructure, proper health infrastructure, proper route and farm to market roads. proper economic infrastructure rates, or when the country like this, which has many, many places to spend its reason is forced to re l

standing by that they could easily deploy nato's fixed wing aircraft ability to penetrate. rush in air spaces, nell rushes, anti or missile defense system is superb. the west has nothing compromise. so when you put all of this together, what, what you're seeing is that nato is beginning to recognize that it's just the white elephant. and it, it has no more relevance to the 21st century. but the parallel as us, on the eve of world war 2, the united states still had a horse cavalry, and a horse calvary was no longer, no longer relevant to war. all right, gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break, and after that she break, we'll continue our discussion on the conflict in ukraine staying with a little, you know, one? no, sir, no, no, admiral. who are job? no, no. what door? more shrill than what they should end up unit 73. 1 was a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly biological weapons program that the world had ever known. a production issue or short lived that they're not kille

missile strikes launched from the sea water area, i emphasize from the sea water area and not from the air spacethey have decreased significantly recently, your evaluation of the use of the activation of the use of unmanned aerial vehicles and kamikaze drones and drones, which are reconnaissance drones and drones that carry explosives on themselves and then drop them and return, including iranian production, many say that they are mopeds, mopeds are very, very good to hear, but as i understand it, ukrainian air defense does not you can hear them a lot, you can hear them, but you can’t see them, because they fly to odesa and to mykolaiv and to the dnipro and to kryvyi rih. how do you assess the effectiveness of using their danger for ukrainians civilian cities, and today seven such drones flew to the mykolaiv region and five landslides were hit, but actually you gave the answer, you gave the answer, that is, you have to understand that any weapon for civilians is extremely dangerous, secondly, you need to understand that the system of any air defense system cannot guarantee 100% destruction of al

appearance of this ukrainian drone and they're all using combat drones to the very appearance in russian air space. it is a, an important indicator that, while ukraine probably is defying this message. so is a truck in at least 20 cities per the last he said, 12 people will kills youth confirmed key energy systems will hit ah, the grain energy miss a said the sites in gangster countries. energy infrastructure were the strongest since the thought of the conflict. russia says military command centers were also targeted where some states have reacted to the strikes is germany, and now it will be providing ukraine with cutting edge air defense systems. the u. k. for mess of branded the attacks, unacceptable. while the estonian prime mystical russia country who's using terrorist tactics and pledging is full support for ukraine despite the fact that just days ago, his own form as a congratulated ukraine on blowing up the crimea bridge with 3 civilians were killed shelling across ukraine, including ki, if shows russia terrorist tactics. this makes it even more acute to establish trevino for crime of aggr

of this sir, ukrainian drone and there are using combat drones to the very appearance in russian air space. it is a, an important indicator that while ukraine probably is defying this message, we did hara earlier from a former new zealand deputy foreign minister mat robson. he was speaking to my colleague union o'neill. he said that the crimean bridge attack, which was one of the reasons why russia is currently stepping it up, russia has had to widen its response. and that's understandable. the bombing of the, the, the attack home on the crime in bridges. the one aspect, the, the build up and the constant flow of arms and weapons, and training and intelligence by the united states and the cell eyes to consciously try and widen the war. i can see myself look at the no choice. so it's not just the bridge, it's the whole escalation that's been fostered by the united states and nato. the head of the region says ukraine has targeted the nuclear power plant there. again, with one shell landing just 10 meters from a radioactive fuel storage container. it comes as blood and proof and confirm that

of course the airport is closed at the moment because the most because of the air space is closed around this area due to a military case is going on very near by. but the governor of the city is now making his around around the region to determine whether there were any more any more destruction or injuries. will roma help? you keep us up to date on those rockets attacks on belgrade, as well as any further progress in the investigation into the territory at that training base. that's all these room, a cost of reporting live from the belgrade region in russia. thanks very much or discuss thought tara attack on the russian military base with some of our guests who gave their thoughts on what could have caused the incidence. that's quite conceivable. that it could have been some ethnic tensions just within the camp. i would tend to think that that's more likely, but as i said, it's just very unusual to have another group of folks from another c s country open fire like that. and i'm sure there was some, i cannot rule out the possibility that you have ethnic tensions that exist even within

standing by that they could easily deploy nato's fixed wing aircraft ability to penetrate. rush in air spaces, nell rushes, anti or missile defense system is super busy. the west has nothing compromise. so when you put all of this together, what, what you're seeing is that nato is beginning to recognize that it's just the white elephant. and it, it has no more relevance to the 21st century. but the parallel as us, on the eve of world war 2, the united states still had a horse cavalry, and the horse calvary was no longer, no longer relevant to war. all right, gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that break, we'll continue our discussion on the conflict, the new brain stake with a with a ah ah, once it was a year old if i give but i need the store in this shakira shorter one. and i'm not trying to stay last name. can you know when i'm with a finance national z m a. when you get on with a welcome back across stock, we're all things are considered. i'm payroll about remind you we're discussing the conflict in ukraine with okay, let's go back to erin in philadelphia. i want to