we did not kill al-qaeda. those navy seals took down the messenger but unfortunately our political leadership did not take down the message. and that is what we have today. so why did i write this book? i wrote that book because even 16 years after 9/11, we still don't have a deeper understanding of the enemy. what do i mean by that? >> across the ages, they said if you know your enemy and you know yourself you will win a hundred times in a hundred battles. do we know our enemy on that level? if you watch television we are still fighting 16 years after 9/11. what do we call the enemy? islamic? radical extremist? or this one losers? that indicates we have no understanding of what the enemy is. we talk about the gods and we cannot imagine something like this happening. we could not imagine. why? our imagination is limited. our imagination is limited with our experiences. it is limited by with our own x expertise and experiences. how do we expand our imagination? i mean empathy in the clinical sense understanding

he wants zarqawi to use the al-qaeda brand. so since al-qaeda hadn't done anything since 9/11, this was a perfect opportunity for bin laden to get back in the game. >> narrator: for zarqawi, it was the seal of approval. and in a letter to bin laden obtained by american intelligence, he outlined what he planned to do next. >> "as the decisive moment approaches, we feel that our body has begun to spread into the security vacuum." >> what zarqawi says in the letter is, "we have one choice, and that is to start a sectarian war and basically to set all of iraq on fire, and to draw in the whole world." >> "if we succeed in dragging them into the arena of sectarian war, it will become possible to awaken the inattentive sunnis." >> "we're going to foment a civil war, and this will cause the shia to overreact. they are going to go after the minority sunni population, and then the sunnis are going to have to turn to us, the jihadists, to defend them." (explosion) >> narrator: now zarqawi acted. (explosion) he initiated unprecedented unre

and how he would micromanage al qaeda. he was micromanaging though way they operate or the training manuals. in micromanaging the organization. and how the views changed from 9/11 and was so concerned and to say we have the condition of no idea what we're talking about perot said to treen slate everything to french. so to be a micromanage your in so many ways. from the time you -- he left afghanistan to the time he was killed by the navy seals but then to get the legions and all the different commanders. and then to be number two with a cockeyed the. -- al qaeda pro and also one of the founding members. in the egyptian and special forces and very loyal to bin laden. he saw this man as the original numbers no. do not do that. and that ithers told him no. they did not get the votes but decided to go anyway. so now to be in a position so to introduce al qaeda from the beginning and that goes to all the different affiliate's. so it isn't dave terrorism book says those sec create images and bloodshed. so to understand that orga

at least a core of al qaeda, the part of al qaeda that carried out the director of the 9/11 attack against the united states. we've done a great deal to degrade that core capability resident in afghanistan and pakistan. there's no question that al qaeda remain as robust, rye sill yent organization with a global presence and that there are al qaeda affiliate organizations around the world that are profoundly threatening to u.s. interests. the amount of time we spend worrying about al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. which attempted to carry out multiple aviation attacks directed at the united states over the last decade. and this goes to some of your question about earlier question about failed states. or safe havens and the difficulty we have in restraining terrorist activity. in places like yemen. the fact that you see isis on the headline in the headlines every day and you read about isis as being a forefront of the global terrorism problem that we're facing, it shouldn't atrack from the idea that your government we as an intelligence community is still focused, i would argue as a matter

that's totally unacceptable. >> on the al qaeda question, nick, what is al qaeda's potential to carry out a mass casualty attack directed at the united states? >> i was talking about that a little bit earlier. i think we have done a great deal to degrade and constrain al qaeda's ability, at least the core of al qaeda that directed the 9/11 attack against the united states. we've done a great deal to degrade that core capability resident in afghanistan and pakistan. there's no question that al qaeda remains a robust, resilient organization with a global presence and there are al qaeda afill yatd organizations arou around the world threatening to american interests. al qaeda on the arabian peninsula attempted to carry out multiple aviation attacks directed at the united states over the last decade. this goes to your earlier questions about failed states or safe havens and thetaining te t attivea activity in places like yemen. it shouldn't detract from the idea that your government, that we as an intelligence community is still focused -- i would argue as a matter of first priority on al

group and not part of al qaeda were isis.ould thinkthing i is too tight. i do think associations can't be just a group that shares the writing, but it is white paper somewhere. it is a group fighting along with al qaeda in some way. >> thank you both for your testimony. >> thank you. chairman to thank the for convening this panel. i want to thank my fellow members for their long-standing leadership on this matter. you have each spoken to the importance and appropriateness of and a umf, not just debating it, that passing in a umf. allow me to flip this issue on its head and ask a question of you in this way. if in one year, god for bid five years, u.s. forces remained engaged in hostilities against isis, and congress has not passed in a umf, why do you believe the average american should be concerned? >> i will saying a sash say one thing legally. it is not clear about detention authority. if we start detaining members of mf thereer this old au is potential infirmity. congress has not acted to provide clear authority to detain

part of al qaeda.i would like to talk to you more about that. i know you must've got it after a lot of thought. we all know that one of the top two or three hardest things is defining the associative forces. so congress is not authorizing use of force against associates of the filthy it's a people things about al qaeda. we want it to be either al qaeda, groups that are fighting along with them, and keep it narrow. the part to define it, associate that is part of al qaeda seems to me to be a little bit too tight. there may be groups that are using the terminology that both administrations use of co-belligerency. have a different group that is fighting alongside and allied with al qaeda but the really are a different group and they are not part of al qaeda or isis. that is one thing that i would be, that's a little bit too tight. i know you want to keep this tight. and to do think associations can't be just a group that shares the ideology that is writing white paper somewhere. it's got to be a group tha

there certainly seem to be groups that are fighting along with al-qaeda or isis but are not part of al-qaeda. so i'm sure they had a reason for drafting it that way. but that did strike me as too tight. i certainly understand the concerns that you don't want to go too broadly to say anything that is associated, meaning they met in the street sometime or said something nice. that's too broad. but the way it is currently drafted seems to be too narrow. i would add some detention provisions ideally. but the affirm ti pative power detain i would. if congress is authorizing the detention of people under the laws of war, there ought to be protections to make sure that the people that are detained are the right people and for no longer as necessary. i defer to you all on the disapproval provisions. i know senators flake and cain worked very hard on those. it is a lot of lines and a lot of pages that are quite complicated. >> let me hone in on this this one moment. we've addressed numbers of issues, for instance in the you shallen sanctions bill this week that exactly work in exactly the opposite wa

so this is something that al qaeda began to endorse. particularly their yemen branch, ban to endorse as weapon back in 2010. that is, explicitly saying, use vehicles as weapons. use them to mow down people, like lawn mowers. and that message was picked up by isis, which has, through its propaganda, particularly as it has come under stress and strain in syria and iraq, has begun as you know, to encourage people to use any weapons at hand. knives, guns, anything they can get their hands on, to -- to kill people they regard as infidels. so -- you know, i'm looking at this and thinking, with some sympathy, not just for the british people, who are suffering these attacks, but also for former colleagues in the intelligence and police services there, who are struggling against a problem that is in terms of their society mammoth in size. >> john -- >> first thoughts, anyway. >> so let's move this forward, because we were talking about this earlier tonight. as the bells go off there, clearly, in london, and in the uk, what's happening in the uni

that is the only ideological difference between the al qaeda. >> al qaeda and isis are two differents but a lot of their adherence are mad at the same people for the same things. >> they are not really. now they are two different organizations but they believe in the same isis used to be the al qaeda affiliate in iraq. the difference between isis and al qaeda is just the idea that isis declared the state and they have a califf. if the califf doesn't exist, they have the same ideology and wouldn't be surprised to see them inspired by isis on a later day. >> if you think, it's great, it's important mosul has been taken back and raqqah will be taken back and isis will be defeated but if you think that the world is suddenly safer as a result, that's naive. >> absolutely. because we are fighting an ideology and that ideology will continue. raqqah will cease to exist. mosul will cease to exist. isis will cease to exist, but guess what? that message will continue to inspire people around the world. >> around. the author of the new book, it is called, tell me again? >> anatomy of terror. >>

when i was chasing al qaeda, they were doing night letters.ow they are doing social media campaigns translated in different languages. we have to counter that and we have to ensure local law enforcement and commercial onurity have the information attacks that these guys are using in order to defend the population from this. it is a hard problem, it is broader than just the intelligence community. erine: you suggested in your earlier statement that we had disrupted the homeland, is that correct? ck: i am talking about what -- long periods of time in 9/11. >> a detailed i would agree with that, we are constantly trying to identify individuals with a design on the homeland, i don't think i would put anything in the category you put it. i would say that we have stop ofple that were capable planning and plotting a major attack on the u.s. you have to remember when you take people off of the battlefield that have the capabilities and the leadership ability to do some of these things that counts. there have been a number of those significant activiti

meanwhile the british government which previously defectors supported isis and al-qaeda in syria told us it will continue to put british troops into harm's way and invade syrian air space i'm joined now from florida by former u.s. assistant secretary of the treasury for economic policy and former associate editor of the wall street journal dr paul craig roberts paul thanks for coming back on going underground you believe the pentagon even understood what it was doing when it ordered the u.s. warplanes to shoot down a syrian jet over syrian airspace well there is the likelihood that this was a military security complex out of channel operational to serve. all our relations with russia. what's really at stake here for the military security complex is an annual budget of wired trillion wadna hundred billion dollars and that titan loads and the power that goes where that desperately needs a dangerous enemy and russia has been chosen for that role and what we're saying here is the military. is able to operate independently of the president and actually cares more. so most liar to this was

with the united states you'll remember of switched sides no longer de facto supporting isis and al-qaeda linked groups to overthrow the secular government of president assad in syria but while u.s. and british warplanes have been aiding the russian led syria iran onslaught on isis one of donald trump's planes appeared to aid isis on sunday we begin tonight with breaking news overseas for the first time a u.s. fighter jet has shot down a syrian warplane the details are just coming in within hours moscow introduced a red lines even before the u.s. downing of another syrian aircraft over syria russia says it will target any u.s. coalition warplane or drone currently invading syrian airspace west of the euphrates river to raise i'm a said there's not going to be any change in u.k. policy unlike this response by a u.k. ally within the past twenty four hours as reported by c g t n of china the people's republic supports russia's line on respecting the sovereignty of syria australia has suspended its air strikes in syria following the delany of the syrian aircraft australia's department of defe

sunnisge of 2007 we used to take back sunni neighborhoods and empower them to keep al qaeda out.olely on taking territory away, but now we have to fight isis as they start to go underground and start conducting attacks, recruiting people and sending them to europe to do thanks. >> you're a former member of the u.s. military, you are familiar etc., whichqi war, led to the toppling of saddam hussein. many would say this laid the foundation for what has happened, the islamic state group and all of the fighting necessary to get the situation and control. can you talk about the mistakes that were made? >> yes. one of the biggest problems in afghanistan and iraq is the lack of continuity. even though the u.s. has been there for a long time doesn't mean we have been doing it right from the beginning. >> what mistakes were made? >> we take a horse, a proxy to partner with and it alienated sunnis, kurds, and christians. sunnisn we empowered the to rise up against al qaeda only to have that same shia government that we empowered dismantle that effort and put them in prison. now we are work

in their peninsula and al qaeda in general so intelligence sharing which is done through the united states joint special operations command with the government of yemen is is to be expected and it's a good thing so as training. interrogation there one has to be very very careful i don't think it's enough to say well you know we didn't torture. and the person that's brought before us they seem to have been softened up how cooperative they are and you know we're not personally you know directly hands on involved. under the under the rules of the convention against torture. if you cooperate or if you are part of a process in that interrogation even if you don't do it yourself if you're complicit in some way that could import. legal responsibility in under an under international law so it's a very serious issue and it's something that you know coming commanders. and people at all levels at all ranks have to be very careful about because the rules are quite quite clear and. understood that the united states base is not very far away from currently where these interrogations are alleged t

doesn't have to be just sort of al qaeda or isis.or every police force, for every national law enforcement agency, the physical thing is when someone doesn't have the indicate there's one can track. traveling to syria, things that we are already looking at. i think that is the difficult thing. because in effect you are looking for a needle amongst a stack of needles. how do you find that one person when they don't present a profile that is traditional, and more importantly, is something you can track? from a law enforcement perspective, that is very difficult. someone who has no history of this, someone who has no background of this, has made no statements, has done no traveling abroad. they're not going to show up and we've seen that in the united states as well. a very difficult problem for law enforcement to solve. >> as this story develops, naveed, we'll hopefully get more information on this 48-year-old man arrested in this incident. naveed jamali, please stay with us. we're going to take a short break. about to see progressive'

couldn't have happened without the united states but now we see in yemen this so did the head of al-qaeda in yemen says our forces are fighting alongside the got the so the saudi backed forces in yemen so we know that al qaeda is itself saying that we're working alongside them in yemen in syria we all know the story we know the defense intelligence agency document of two thousand and twelve with the united states admitted that the saudis and others were supporting the extremists and then the united states and for them we know in iraq the saudi supported isis but now we see that the so does not only did a lot yemen and forced people in yemen to die of hunger. but there even doing it to qatar qatar which until a few days ago was working alongside saudi arabia now they've blockaded qatar they prevent food from getting into the country this is how bizarre this saudi regime behaves we know that ice is where its ideology comes from we know where the ideology come from comes from we know the books that they teach come from saudi arabia we know that the bomb attacks in europe across europe in asi

back then it was accused of being connected to the al qaeda terror group and one that was preaching there in one thousand nine hundred seven was the notorious abu hamza the mosque became a meeting point for very sick streamers figures before hams are was convicted and given a life sentence and there were reports of nine eleven attack and the so-called shoe bomber a man who hid explosives in his shoes on an american airlines flight in two thousand and one was visiting the the it's as a place of worship here's what we previously heard from locals about the mosque we i mean i live on this street. i live. firmly you could maybe see more and i would move further down the street and i know. what was going on before they all had to go to the other mosque because it was too just colonized by people who were local. for the mosque was closed in two thousand and three following investigation until years later it was reopened under a new chairman since then the new management has tried to distance itself from the radical past two years ago the mosque was targeted in the attempted arson attack to this

al qaeda training camp in southern afghanistan if you were an al qaeda fighter and you wanted to go home you needed a passport maybe a ticket it was the guy so he was certain involved but he was not the monster that the white house wanted to merican to believe the crime never matched the polish never have a graphic we can all agree on that well let me ask this you know so who is this guy who who is a bad why why why do you guys think that the cia the administration and the powers that be at the time just became so obsessed with him what was the value. i was a bit is a palestinian that was raised from saudi arabia he has a child here he even as a as a young teenager he started questioning the status quo he started questioning you know the how he was treated as a palestinian living in saudi arabia he started questioning how the palestinians were treated by the israelis he was always he was a good kid he was a smart kid but he was he was rebellious and had a lot of beliefs he was always looking for for his place in life and i think when he went to afghanistan for johnny training. many many

is using it to both go after groups that say they're allied with al qaeda and groups that say they're mortal enemies about qaeda so it is. congress and i think there are members of congress that are looking at this and understanding this there were hearings this week in the senate foreign relations committee exactly to the point of whether or not congress should get back in the game and retake back its constitutional authority and certainly we as a quaker lobby would like to see that happen now quakers don't believe that war is a good idea any time where the people who have the war is not the answer sign on the front of our building across from the u.s. senate but you don't have to be a quaker to look at what's happening in afghanistan and say more troops are not the answer this is in effect doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result very einstein's definition of insanity. world war two ended when we took down the german government and we took down the japanese government if that's the definition of the end of a war and then we went into you know rebuild

pakistan facilitates arms purchases for al qaeda as the war continued. since 2004, eight major terrorist plots against western countries were planned in pakistan. 2008, the g.a.o., the folks that take care of our money found that the pakistan government may have falsified claims for providing support to the united states-led military operation. what does that mean? we give the pakistan government to help their military supposedly go after terrorists. and they give us back vouchers to say this is what we did. well, our government went through these vouchers and found that pakistan -- they lied about this. they were asking for money for an activity that never occurred. so they tried to cheat the american people on these reimbursements. and there's more, november, 2008, l.e.t. conducted the mumbai attack in india that killed more than 160 people with pakistani assistance. l.e.t. is a terrorist group. 2009, taliban leader who had begun peace negotiations with the afghan government was arrested by pakistan authorities for negotiating a peace talk because paki

very high-level police officer said to me in describing them, they are the equivalent or worse than al qaeda. i would say that's the best. they don't like to shoot people. they like to cut people. they do things that nobody can believe. the searcher animals. we are moving them out of the country by the thousands, by the thousands. [applause]

way back when i was doing the al qaeda mission back in the 1990s, the mosque was note wurkty because of the extremism but soon after the egyptian cleric that ran that mosque, the community took it back. they got rid of this cult-like extremism. the board erased all of the people, everyone that was associated with its past was removed. and it's been actually a center and a hub for what we call counter extremist ideology. and that community, like i said widely diverse, as diverse as the muslim world. it's not pakistani. it's every muslim in that neighborhood, that is their center of worship. and it really is a hallmark just how wonderful it is when the community comes back and stops this extremism. that would have made them a target for people who are islamic extremists idelogs like isis. >> malcolm, stay with us. i'm going to bring into the conversation tarra, who joins us by phone and is part of an extremist expertise group. and tarra toosh to state the obvious, and i will be echoing throughout our coverage woo, we don't know. this might not be a terrorist attack, bu based on your kn

al qaeda in the fatah area has been shredded as a cape b89 outfit. they have been unable to attack america many, many years. they have franchised out is the point you are making and from yemen to somalia, from the sajal to certainly syria and this is a franchised al qaeda metastasizing threat. >> and respectfully, sir, i agree and understand that al qaeda has spread but specifically with syria, al qaeda's presence in syria is far greater today than it ever was before. which speaks to my question about our lack of taking them on in a serious way, specifically in syria. >> the location of where they're at in syria makes them very difficult for us to reach, frankly. and we would have to deconflict even more vis-a-vis the russians. let me ask general dunford if he has anything to add to this but you're right. they're embedded pretty deeply and hard to get to. >> i know you viz ited and probably know well and could argue whether we have had sufficient resources we do have a dedicated campaign against al qaeda in syria. we do have specific resources dedica

characteristic of the al qaeda and iraq network that we cannot match it. even though our special forces is the most nimble part of the military we are to hierarchal. then he takes special forces and first takes a command of teams, he was on top and there were different groups, the logistics group and communication group and he figures that had to make that command into a team of teams, where his different groups, each one connected to all the other groups, but in ways that are flexible enough so the network can become one big entity where everybody's connected to everybody else. he describes the strategy of shared consciousness. then it can come back together and this team of the different teams. each of whom can act independently. that is a strategy he's uses on the battlefield and as a business consultant. it's a great example of thinking strategically about the type of network you need for a specific task. i describe it as a task network and i could talk about scale networks. his is a very compelling concrete example of the idea of a strategy of connect

stopping mechanism that al qaeda h.q.as no more. namely, that safeguard was don't go after the iranians. why? there was a letter written by the former isis spokesman saying for years you have told , us to avoid hitting the great enemy, the hub of shia islam, because doing so would jeopardize the al qaeda networks and personnel stationed in iran. now all bets are off. they feel brazen enough to have the islamic republic at home. jeff: you mentioned places like mosul and they are prepared to move away but they are not giving these places up. michael: fight to the last man, but the last man defined by senior leadership. not everybody. they are not doing human wave attacks. they are booby trapping these neighborhoods. they leave a garrison of hundreds of fighters to really bleed and cause the immense suffering of not just the civilian population, but incoming shia militia groups, iraqi army and any american troops. that's always been the breath ring for them, -- brass ring for them killing americans. , whilst doing this and p

what we're seeing now, certainly with isis, and to a lesser extent with al qaeda, al qaeda was the first one to actually publish this in a manual to use a vehicle what we call vehicle as weapon system. and that's where you just take your car and run over people. armed edged weapons attacks -- knife attacks -- were popularized by al qaeda also. however, the place where we saw these happening all the time was israel. there were over 50 attacks like this in israel with palestinians just using, as we said, suicide individual weapons. pick up a knife and attack. then using a vehicle to crash into individuals. we saw 48 of those before the first attack in nice that killed almost 90 people. so what we're seeing is that everyone watches each other. and they see what's effective. they see what tools can be had at hand. and, you know, they also have this doctrine, certainly in isis, that you go to perform these attacks, they expect you to die. and when you are outgunned, outclassed, as we saw in westminster, you might be able to gt off and murder an individual, as we saw unfortunately with the pol

remember, isis used to be a branch of al qaeda. so let's focus on the ideology. let's not drown ourselves in the issue of organizations. it doesn't matter if isis was behind the particular fatwa. >> right. they were willing and able to carry it out. >> and people are listening to this ideological and political argument and carrying on these attacks in behalf of terrorist groups. >> people will ask me who you are. he is the author of two good books. the first book, black banners, between two of them, i've learned more with terrorism from you than anyone else. >> thank you. always a pleasure. >>> thank you. i want to bring in the foreign policy and security analyst. related thing going on. a number of our allies in the middle east got themselves into a spat overnight. i want to put tim ma'am and show our viewers. this centers around qatar. it is a little blip around sad sad and that's often how saudi arabia thinks of it. that they should be able to determine their foreign policy. so qatar has done something that has upset all the neighbors around them and they've a

whether it's al qaeda or isis it's the same thing.y want to bring sharia law and it's all about radical islam and being terror. were seen that in london tonight. first seen it here on american soil now. i've been saying for some time that the fight against radical islam is the challenge of our time. the 911 commission said it best, 911 above all else was a imagination of responding to that last terror attack rather than thinking outside the box to prevent the next one. patti ann: so, how do we defeated? >> it's a combination of things that we have to do. were always playing defense. it's time to play often. i've been talking for some time about what's going on in the mosques. mosques are very close to washington dc where symbol of the 911 hijackers went to, and. [inaudible] was the a-bomb and went to qaeda in yemen. what if just one person had come forward with some intelligence, actual intelligence from the mosque. of the life that could have potentially been saved. i call for a rewards program for moderate or reformed muslims. if yo

communications in a way that al qaeda never did. the threat is greater. second texas tension between the u.s. government and the valley, technology companies, is higher than it was in 2010-2011 because of a variety of issues, beginning with edward snowden. so finding that partnership will be more rick but it's critical, and i think prime minister may at the g 7 raised the issues but it's issues of reporting extremist content online, actively take it down, using algorithms to do it automatically and reporting that to at the fbi and law enforcement and an even harder nut to crack is the use of end-to-end encringes, which will increasingly prohibit or keep u.s. law enforcement officials, not just working on terrorism, from accessing communications in a way they have become very accustomed over the past second six decades. >> thank you. >> senator mccaskill is

we have specific resources dedicated just for the fight against al-qaeda. but it is fair to say our priority in syria has been isis because we have operating largely in the east. .... >> do you think we could startoh an authorization for the use of military force in syria against al qaeda with the funding and resourcing, the statement by congress would show the spirit of congress. >> but the authorization that you are currently operating under in syria was the one passed by congress in 2001 to go after al qaeda and its affiliates, isn't that right. >> we use that authority, yes. the challenge is that right now we have a greater clear and present danger with isis and you so why in 2014, we went after what we thought was the priority danger to two different, through what administration and now at this administration. >> i think the reason why isis is a greater danger is because it wasn't taken seriously from the beginning. that is a concern with al qaeda, it because it has been largely ignored it has grown to a point where it has now become difficult to take

the individual in colorado who was in touch with an al qaeda courier in pakistan.the hypothetical i would post is imagine it information about zazi came from a tip come somebody said to the fbi this person zazi is in the midst of plotting to carry out attacks on the new york subway. that would not constitute probable cause in all likelihood, and the fbi would therefore be barred from checking its own databases to see if a communication existed between zazi and his al qaeda courier in pakistan. that's the first thing that we want the fbi to do when they receive that information, it sent unintrusive are step and it allows the fbi to determine what else they need to do and i would suggest imposing a judicial requirement would bar that information from the fbi being able to access it. >> mr. klein? >> this is really not a trivial privacy question. that said i agree entirely with mr. olsons analysis of it. one point i would like to add is we know have some information in the public domain about the scale of this problem. how much foreign intelligence information is comi

special operators are going in and out of yemen to hunt al qaeda.t of martin dempsey's approach to fighting terrorism. >> bill: jennifer griffin. the series continues tomorrow night. president trump will meet with vladimir putin when they attend ag 20 economic summit in hamburg germany next week. the white house says the meeting is one of several president trump will have. officials will not say whether or not he will address accusations of russian interference in last year's election. the economy at home did better than first thought in the first three months of the year. the commerce department same gross domestic product grew at an annual rate of 1.4%. that is better than the previous estimate of 1.2 and doubled the initial figure of just seven tenths of a percentage point. big selloff for a down day in wall street. tech tech stocks take a tumble. it has yo-yo to back-and-forth for three days. you have heard of doctor shopping. trying to find out physician who will give you the drug you want. the political version tonight. dan springer reports on

to groups like a queue, al qaeda, boko haram and isis.last week islamic ideology combined with solid fee -- optical and implement different viewpoint on this but our other point is islamist ideology combined with salafi theology crates the modern manifestation of jettison practice intellectual social and practical movement now has preachers and emergent part of islamic academic literature and thanamendment to justify their legitimate interpretation of islam that should be practiced in some instances as an emerging school of islamic thought or jurisprudence. now, what does this mean? let's be clear, there's a distinction between conservatism and older conservatism, and salafi jihadist. in many circles there's a difficulty distinguished what is, in fact, conservatism that is not nefarious and in any way and somehow, someone is spoken that salafi jihadist is ready. if you love me where finishing the report i do want to parse out this nuance. the center of the salafi agent is their beliefs. and which despite push back of her and strong theolo

al qaeda, isis, hamas, as well as being close to iran.ey suggest they are meddling inside other countries and this is affecting us because as you look, we have a big air base there. we also have an army base that deploys material for central command. so, there are basically two u.s. bases there. now, the question is, what happens? they put a statement today, saying, qatar has been exposed to an instigation campaign based onns that amounted to absolute fabrication, proving that they are premeditated intentions to cause damage to the state. qatar is an active member of the gcc, committed to its charter, does not in interact -- we are back with the panel. jennifer, it is sticky for the administration. >> it was just two weeks ago in riyadh, i was one of the reporters in that room and president trump had the bilateral meeting with the amir of qatar. warm, friendly meeting. remember, trump called him a long time friend, so the nations have been longtime friends. they talked about selling our beautiful military equipment to qatar. very warm. i

he described al qaeda in iraq and he is saying that kind of flexibility and adaptability and nimbleness was characteristic of the al qaeda in iraq network we couldn't match it because even though our special forces is the most nimble part of our military, we were to hierarchical. and savini describes taking special forces, and he says first we had a commando teams. he was on top and they'r do alle different groups, the intelligence group and the logistics group and the communications group, and he figures out how to make that command into a team of teams, where he's got different groups, each one is connected to all the other groups, but in ways that are flexible enough so that as he describes it, he says and network can become one big entity where everybody is connected to everybody else, and he describes the strategy of shared consciousness forever but has to know what everybody else knows here but then it can come back together in this team of different teams, each of whom can act independently. what he calls an powered execution. that's a strategy he's used on the battlefield. he us

i got a letter from an individual convicted of an al qaeda related offense. he is in a super max prison and the us asking if i would, if i have this individual because the individual does not want to be incarcerated together with the murderers and rapists and wants to be just with his fellow g hardees. and said maybe you can support me in this, not because you like me but because maybe you would agree that it would be better goes only with g hardees and i cannot radicalized others.it was a novel approach. [laughter] but there is much more we have to do here.over here on the left. >> my question is adjust to power. i was intrigued by your optimism that we can win the war on terrorism. many people have equated terrorism with - no government in the world has succeeded in winning the war against crime. no one has ever won the war. so how do you define winning the war against terrorism? >> is a fair question and i appreciate it. i did not say that winning the war on terrorism and i'm talking about dramatically decreasing the appeal of the ideology for the demograp

of course isis, al qaeda but cyber has great capability for great devastation. so i know that the department has the end-kick, we hope to elevate that mission to a cybersecurity and infrastructure protection administration. within your department. can you just very briefly, the threats are real from russia, china, espionage, cyberwarfare. what are you doing in the department to combat this? >> first thing i would say is that oftentimes people ask me what keeps me up at night and so many things keep me up at night. i don't go to bed any more. it's across the spectrum. it's scary. but cyber, we're very, very good at cyber. but so are they. we've been brutalized by cyber, we've been affected by cyber. penetrated, manipulated by cyber. it's time i think to do something about that. that's a policy decision that i want it talk about now. but anything we can do in the department, in the country, to better prepare, to protect our own nets and then to make that protection available, which we do, is you know jeh johnson, our good friend, designated the election systems wi

. >> let me bring in a writer at the new york times, the al qaeda and isis expert at the new york timesour initial readings of this tell you? >> well, the mode of attack that we saw on london bridge is of course something that isis have been pushing now for more than a year. the idea of using a vehicle to ram civilians. what's interesting is literally a few hours before this occurred, an isis channel that is run by respected followers of the group put out a poster where they elucidated the types of attacks that they want people to do over ramadan and one of attack was a pictures of a truck, use a truck to run over civilians. at this point we don't know if it's isis, but it certainly is locks like something similar that we saw in the past. >> we saw in in nice, the concept of using a truck. >> right. >> what's the change in in us thinking about organizational -- you know, organizational structures being behind this like al qaeda ors isis and missing the fact that people might take inspiration from that post that you just described anywhere in the world and go after soft targets. nerd, is