about the latest with tunstall to shouldn't scholar and harvard law school professor emeritus alan dershowitz he joins us via skype alan is also a bestselling author his newest is trumped up how criminalization of political differences in dangers democracy and in minneapolis richard painter professor of law at the university of minnesota and he was the chief white house and thinks louis during the administration of george w. bush and he's vice chair currently of citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. is now reported that bannon's attorney bill burke was on the phone with the white house during the intelligence committee interview is that normal richard . well. they turn to the private attorney for a definite. call wherever he wants that say is. that's up to the white house whether they're going to call. usual for the white house to talk with attorneys for represented a criminal defendants in attica said it where we had scooter libby and died it was that a staffer vice president cheney when i was in the bush white house and i don't recall his authorities talk at added body of th

to politicking i'm talking with constitutional stollen harvard law school professor emeritus alan dershowitz he's joining us via skype and richard painter the former chief white house ethics lawyer during the administration of george w. bush and alan can counsel moeller talk to president trump if he wants to. if the president wants to talk to him sure there's no problem with that at all look there are there are two extreme positions the one extreme position is that most are constantly subpoena the president make him come and answer questions on any subject without any advance notice of what the secure matter going to be that's one position the other position the white house takes is no the president should be asked questions in writing and he should be able to answer it in writing. i think in the end they'll be a compromise and that will be an agreed upon interview probably in the oval office probably was some time limits probably with some advance notice as to the subject matters to be covered and probably with his lawyers present and it will be transcribed but perhaps not b.o.t.a. that's t

we will talk to alan dershowitz about what this means for the american people, so watch for that. a big push under way on capitol hill to tackle immigration ahead of a looming government shutdown next friday. let's go "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. top lawmakers from both political parties backed by the white house have kicked off their search for a long-sought compromise on immigration, with the clock ticking down ahead of next friday's deadline to fund the government. a group of senators say they are close to a deal that which would include protection for dreamers. another senator doubts that any deal can be reached before next week. the president is insisting that any deal includes his border wall, which is a nonstarter for some democrats. many of them, in fact. both nancy pelosi and paul ryan appear confident about reaching common ground, watch. >> people of goodwill coming together on both sides of the aisle in both houses of congress to get the job done. there is a bipartisan bill put forth that has bipartisan support and many republican supporters and we shoul

alan dershowitz. you know him. a law school professor.ing to you. >> good morning. steve: how do we get to this place where college campuses are now doing, what? >> well, first, we need to encourage dissent on college campuses. you know, when i was a kid they tried to censor us. that was joe mccarthy. that was the right. today it's the hard left that tries to censor the center, conservatives, people who try to espouse conservative values. there aren't enough college professors who stand up for the right of dissent. the students are doing it. they are doing a great job. they are not getting the support of the faculty or administrators. ainsley: how do you fix this intolerance 101. >> first of all, you fight back. you never ever allow the bullies and that's what these are. these are bullies. so student groups and some of the faculty groups. they try to shut you down. they scream and yell when you speak. they protest when you come on campus. look, i'm a centrist liberal. every time i speak on a campus there are protests, efforts, shut him do

what alan dershowitz said would definitely take significance. >> sean: tom, tell us what judicial watchdoing. >> i think it's going to be, as sara is indicating a tsunami of information coming out on the scandals. the court rule that the clinton emails need to be released more quickly. all these clinton emails she tried to hide deleted. >> sean: we haven't seen any of them yet. >> all about yoga, a wedding, a funeral. emailing bill who doesn't email. >> we found on the wiener laptop classified information and pay-to-play which i guarantee you is going to be coming out. then we had the court just yesterday talk about how he wants the comey memos because he wants to review the comey memos which are the genesis of the muriel operation there would be no muriel special prosecutor but for the leaking of comey to the "new york times" on one specific memo. so that material may be coming out. it's all building. and there are text messages that are coming out. as ed is talking about, now we are going to find out more details about the fisa -- the intelligence surveillance abuses. now, you know my

what alan dershowitz said would definitely take significance. >> sean: tom, tell us what judicial watchdoing. >> i think it's going to be, as sara is indicating a tsunami of information coming out on the scandals. the court rule that the clinton emails need to be released more quickly. all these clinton emails she tried to hide deleted. >> sean: we haven't seen any of them yet. >> all about yoga, a wedding, a funeral. emailing bill who doesn't email. >> we found on the wiener laptop classified information and pay-to-play which i guarantee you is going to be coming out. then we had the court just yesterday talk about how he wants the comey memos because he wants to review the comey memos which are the genesis of the muriel operation there would be no muriel special prosecutor but for the leaking of comey to the "new york times" on one specific memo. so that material may be coming out. it's all building. and there are text messages that are coming out. as ed is talking about, now we are going to find out more details about the fisa -- the intelligence surveillance abuses. now, you know my

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allen drove alan dershowitz wad next. >> sean: the great one mark lavin on fire warning with the de >: the great one, mark levin, on fire earlier tonight. he's been warning about the deep state. take a look. >> the fbi sought to interview in our election. i'm not talking about the men and women who work at the fbi, i'm talking about the top echelon. they sought to interview with our election and they sought to interfere in our election and worse ways than the russians did. how is it that barack obama is never questioned about this? 's name never comes up? never comes up. are you telling me that the director of the national security council, susan rice, didn't know i think? are you telling me that the deputy director of the national security council, ben rhodes, well known they could, didn't know a thing, are you telling me valerie jarrett did it not a thing as she sits there controlling every department in every cabinet secretary? are you telling me james comey, who likes to meet with presidents and take memos, that he did not write any memos? is nice to see now that we have committee

alan dershowitz back with us today by way of skype. specific question to you. we think we're going to see it. i don't know if it will be today. perhaps before the weekend. do you see any danger in releasing this four-page summary? >> first i want to congratulate by friend and former student joe kennedy for outstanding response last night. as to your question, look, i've been in the area of national security releases, pentagon papers for over 50 years. in almost every case when it gets released people throw up their arms and say what was the problem here? what was the national security issue here? why are we so concerned? we should always err in favor of releasing rather than withholding. most claims to censorship based on national security turn out to be overstated, overwrought and sometimes out and out false. so i don't think there are any great risks. if it were great risks, believe me, the national security people would be on top of it in a minute. so i think this is something where the american public has the right to see it and make their own judgment as t

i'm quoting alan dershowitz on this. >> there's your trouble right there. >> let's go to the source,ichael. >> it's correct, what jack says, ha the president has the authority to fire the fbi director without cause. if, however, he fires the fbi director with bad intent, with corrupt intent, in order to obstruct the investigation, that can be actionable as an indictable offense, or to take dershowitz's point, but as an abuse of office and impeachable offense. >> strategy -- >> he doesn't need to destroy it. the obstruction of justice statute is endeavoring statue. you have to endeavor to obstruct the justice. you don't have to succeed. you just have to endeavor to do it. >> the president would be better off if he had stopped at the memo that was written by rod rosenste rosenstein. if he had just shut up and didn't have any other interviews with lester holt or anybody else. >> let's acknowledge that. >> that's where all of his problems come from. >> he would have been better off if he didn't fire comey. >> i didn't mean to cut you off. >> it's on the point. if that holds for the firin

alan dershowitz in probably a very warm climate. thank you, sir, for your time today. >> sandra: we are awaiting a big meeting happening at the pentagon today. president trump will be sitting down with top military brass to discuss the ongoing threat coming from north korea. senator marco rubio will be joining us live at the top of the next hour to discuss all of it. plus the couple accused of starving and torturing their 13 children preparing to make their first court appearance this morning. details on that. trusted battery for your son's favorite toy?t maybe not. maybe, you could trust he wouldn't leave the upstairs water running. (woman screams) or, you could just trust duracell. ♪ >> bill: quite a tribute to bob dole yesterday. both republicans and democrats there to recognize bob dole serving our country as a sole and legislator and statesman. he was critically injured on a mission in italy during the second world war. >> i'm extremely honored to accept this great honor. and i thank you for presenting it to me. >> bill: he is

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>> you disagree with alan dershowitz on this. >> laura: let's watch what he said just a few days ago.> i think of congress ever were to charge him with obstruction of justice for exercising his constitutional authority, we have a constitutional crisis. >> laura: that's a month ago, we are in a blur. holiday food coma, it would be a constitutional crisis. >> i'm afraid i have to disagre disagree. i think a president could be charged with obstruction of justice. >> laura: he's in charged with the law enforcement of the whole country. whether it's to encourage someone -- you don't need to accuse yourself or recuse yourself, he's the head of the entire branch of government. >> i think that's what makes this a difficult case to make. but i don't think there's any borrower making the case. there's lots of people with discretionary authority who use it illegally. can he be charged today? >> laura: they're not the president, the head of the entire executive branch. >> i think the problem here is not that president trump could it be charged with it. the problem is that he had ample reason to f

kennedy: alan dershowitz said the same thing. >> not only is he the president web's an extremely strong willed individual who probably said to his lawyers, get me a meeting with mueller and i'll talk him out of this. mr. president, they won't. they are looking to set a trap for you as they did with general flynn and papadopoulos and martha stewart. kennedy: i think that's exactly what they are going to do. i'll talk with buck sexton about that later. i want to get back to this 25th amendment issue. it goes to show the politicization and separation and the foment and desire to undo the results of an election that half of the country feels was unjust. is there anything the president can do at this point to just simply govern, to simply lead. >> give hip cell phone to general kelly, that might help. and talk about the economy. i happen to think we are heading toward a bubble. but right now it's roaring and people are going back to work and staying in their jobs. kennedy: you can't have this kind of spending and tax cuts and expect to sustain the growth. they have to cut spending if they ar

i like what alan dershowitz have to say. politically oppose someone.cast aspersions about their mental state or faculties or ability to serve. if he's crazy, then crazy is good. sign me up for more. he's had a tremendous amount of accomplishments. everybody has had to admit that pretty much. in terms of what he's been able to achieve and get done in a very quick period of time. this is something that disturbs people. they find it mentally disturbing that he's done as well as he has, so they are trying to go back on him and cast these types of ideas on people to try to it more mainstream and acceptable. this is a guy who doesn't have his faculties or lacks intelligence. really? how did he get into the white house? >> jesse: he defeated a dynasty. >> kimberly: to be honest. 16 very qualified candidates who ran. he did the debates. he campaigned out there. he made a tremendous amount of money and jobs created in terms of the economy with american businesses. was this all dumb luck? >> jesse: people are sick of all the winning. i head, steve bannon attempt

. >> bill: what i often do with you i compare your judgment on this case to alan dershowitz. >> a highcompare me to him. >> bill: he would return the favor on that. i want our viewers to listen to the argument that alan dershowitz makes against collusion, against obstruction, etc. listen to this and i have a specific question for you. >> if the president were to be charged with obstruction or simply exercising his constitutional authority, firing comey, telling comey not to investigate flynn, those are all within the president's constitutional authority. the other place it may be going is toward collusion. collusion is not a crime. i would think that the special prosecutor should limit himself to matters that are criminal and thus far i have not heard evidence to suggest that any crimes were committed in or near the oval office. >> bill: he said a lot there. you can fire comey, flynn and tell comey to not investigate michael flynn. collusion is not a crime. >> i don't think he is but i'll accept the assumption. >> if that's the case, if you move toward this charge or allegation or argu

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to that discussion, alan dershowitz who has not been a conservative ever, says this "the 25th amount would require a major psychotic break. this is hope of reality. if we don't like someone's politics, vote against them. we don't use the system. >> i think it's dangerous to sound like you're making a diagnosis when you haven't actually seen a patient in any area of medicine. i think it's important for the american people to be aware of what's going on with their leader. it's important for this or any leader to have proper medical treatment. for congress to be briefed by somebody who hasn't seen him, to me is not ethical and quite frankly even know i'm a democrat. i've set up before. you've heard me. this is not how the removal of donald trump happens. this is not how it's going to come about because you don't have the vice president. you don't have the cabinet, the republicans. even the one republican that sat down for the meeting. i think this is a waste of time because this individual has not seen him. having said that though he has some tweets that are very similar to north korea

professor alan dershowitz has been out there saying he doesn't believe there should be a special counselink -- my hope is that the inspector general is looking at this as well, i do worry about these free range investigations, what that means for the president moving forward for this country. i share concerns. >> harris: how humiliating and embarrassing is it to know that your candidate may have had to engage in this sort of behavior to get dirt on the opposition because she didn't have a platform to win? >> i think those are separate issues. they absolutely are. money came from the dnc, money also came from -- there are things donna brazile has written in her book about the joint fund raising agreement to be false. i have tremendous respect for her and i know that hillary clinton needed a better economic platform to win the selection. >> if the dossier was used to obtain a warrant by the fbi, does that not concern you? >> that was largely corroborated but we don't know that. that is what officials have sai said. >> the intelligence community has said it is unverified, nobody has been ab

donald trump has a lot of allies in congress including people from academia like alan dershowitz.his thing play out. whatever report comes out will be discredited by people on the right. people on the left want donald trump impeached. it won't have any impact. he won't be impeached or thrown out of office. he will be around for seven more years. >> sean: that drives people on the left crazy. as a person that is a lawyer and believes in the rule of law i'm sure, daryl, you never heard of a case where they're writing an exoneration months before they did the real investigation and interviewed the people involved. i'm talking about comey and trump hater peter strzok and hillary lover peter strzok that they literally were writing hillary's exoneration and they hadn't interviewed anybody until months later. does that sound like the type of justice system you're used to? i doubt it. >> not at all. that's not the kind of justice anybody wants to see. i think the american public is ready to see closure to these investigations soon and hopefully we'll get closure soon. >> sean: you can say

saturday, great lawyer alan dershowitz.ade shall be holiday from "wall street journal." we've got kat timpf and cyrus. it's going to be awesome. and now it is time for this! okay, roll the tape. >> kimberly: that's not good. >> greg: what is this? does anybody know what this is? this came in my inbox today x... >> jesse: gerbil. >> greg: i don't think it's a gerbil. >> kimberly: you don't know? if this was a gerbil and up along to greg, it probably wouldn't be here on video. >> greg: i believe it's a baby possum. >> jesse: "watters world" live. we have phillips, lou diamond and silk. i want to show you this harrowing video. collision on a river. >> kimberly: this is terrible... >> dana: oh! >> kimberly: that's so awful! >> jesse: these guys are just trying to catch some salmon in oregon. allegedly on a cell phone. says he wasn't on a cell phone. >> kimberly: if kimberly was a prosecutor, that guy would be out of there. i would put them away and i would eat a doughnut. >> juan: is it because of alcohol? >> dana: i'm glad eve

. >> i'll sure you've seen the counter argument made by alan dershowitz that the president has the authoritytop law enforcement in the country, he can direct investigation or order the investigation. is that not correct legally speaking? >> legally speaking, he could set a priority. when he is the subject of the investigation, one of the people being investigated, and his campaign is being investigated, for him to be putting his two cents into this whole thing. he didn't have the right to tell jim comey to stop the investigation into mike flynn. that is an obstruction of justice. he cannot justice and be above the law. that's what it means to not have a king and instead a president of the united states. >> ken, we were talking about possible indictments. do you think we'll see more convictions and guilty pleas? >> i think it is possible and i think the lawyers are bracing him for that. that's what may be behind the preemptive attacks and do i agree they're preemptive attacks against the justice department as part of an effort, a multipronged effort, frankly, to undermine the justice departme

trump has a lot of allies in congress and a lot of allies, including people from academia like alan dershowitzathan turley. as far as i'm concerned, let this thing play out. whatever report comes out, it will be discredited by the people from the right company up onhe the left want him impeache. of all to have impact. he will be impeached, he won't be thrown out of office, he will be around for seven more years. >> sean: by the way, that drives the people on the left crazy. as ars person that is a lawyer, believes in the rule of law, i am sure that you never heard of a case where they are writing an exoneration months before they actually did the real investigation and interview the people involved? i'm talking about comey and trump hater peter strzok and hillary lever peter strzok, they literally were writing hillary's exoneration and they had not interviewed anyone until months later. does that sound like the type of justice system you are used to? i doubt it. >> not at all. that is not the kind of just as anyone wants to see. i think the american public is ready to see closure to all these

we will be joined by harvard professor alan dershowitz straight ahead. ♪ dynamic performance, so youwn the road. aggressive styling, so you can break away from everyone else. the bold lexus is. experience amazing. >> sean: fox news contributor sara carter ♪ >> sean: fox news contributor sara carter and "the hill"'s john solomon each out with brand-new reports detailing the allegations of the housee and senate as to whether the fbi agent peter strzok and other fbi employees may have been responsible for meat media leas responding the investigation. joining us now, john sullivan, sara carter, and the author of the best seller, alan dershowits with us. let's go to the details, john, we'll start with you. basically, they are admitting, when they talk about that they have advanced knowledge, the article is output hidden behind a pay wall, and it goes through a -- thee whole tone is anti-imperial, just a tiny bit from us, paige replies, there is more -- are they not referencing they are leaking to the press and what does that mean? how profound is that? >> i don't think we know entirely. b

>> actually, i agree with my good friend alan dershowitz. we don't use mental disability. this bill because i think it is irresponsible not to begin to think about what we might have to do. i am not among those who think the president is as yet unraveled. i must say i'm unnerved when two men, both unfit for office, go at each other on nukes. my nuke is bigger than your nuke. that's not even funny. people don't even joke about it on comic shows. on the other hand, it ill behooves congress just to sit there holding our hands while this unraveling occurs and the suggestion, this latest suggestion, who can say that's the reason of some kind of dementia, is very unnerving and i don't think is either the case. i think the man has very limited memory and limited vocabulary. all of that can be seen as psychiatric. but i don't think members of congress ought to just sit there and say this will work itself out. >> so we should say over the last couple months, your bill has gained some traction. you picked up 56 co-sponsors. that's still a fraction of congress. and sarah sanders was

. >> martha: alan dershowitz, thank you for coming on tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: there's someing available in what a trump/oprah matchup would actually look like. karl rove has brought numbers to back up his argument straight ahead. also up next, my exclusive interview with vice president mike pence. his new message from the white house for kim jong-un is next. >> the president the president sent me to deliver here is the same that i will deliver when i arrive in korea again and i visit japan again. that is the era of strategic patience is over. get ready for centrum micro-workouts. the bottle curl. the twist n' turn. the stretch n' grab. the gummy squish. centrum micronutrients fuel your body from the inside out. grab a centrum and join in. repeat daily. >> martha: the focus of the world will soon be on the korean peninsula, as south korea hosts the winter olympics. and for north korea, that means plenty of propaganda is in the works. the north is reportly planning to send its popular cheer squad to the games. the group of young women, typically about 20 years old. they have

jeffrey toobin, professor alan dershowitz. if you were advising the president or his team, what would you advise him about this. >> the dread would be if he got a subpoena to appear in front of the grand jury. no lawyer present. no opportunity to know the questions in advance. donald trump unscripted, uncontrolled. lawyer's nightmare. uncontrolled donald trump in a grand jury room. they'll do anything to avoid that. he won't plead the fifth. he has to answer the questions so they'll accept anything short of that, interrogatories, questions, written questions, maybe an informal interview. remember, if you lie to a law enforcement official, even not under oath, that is a serious federal crime. so mueller has the leverage here, the legal leverage because he can threaten the grand jury subpoena. but what i think ultimately they would prefer, the defense attorneys, is to make all kinds of proposals for mueller and then mueller turn them down and not invoke a grand jury subpoena so they can then say well, we offered to cooperate but

these guys, alan dershowitz, steve wynn, ari fleischer, dr. put on the show. pete: there they are. >> thank you. and the bottom line of all that is i'm the grunt. i'm just there to lend common seen to these ethereal level thinkers. that's what i'm there for. lisa: and colonel if viewers want more they can also see you on fox business tonight at nine p.m., war shores with oliver north, the tet offensive. >> which, by the way, was going right about now, just beginning right about now with the attack at the queson combat with the marines. i can be seen at 8:00 on our channel and 9:00 just quickly cut over to fox business networ. pete: all ollie all the time. wise guys tonight at 8 o'clock. we're looking forward to it. >> appreciate you. pete: president trump laying out his demands for a daca deal. >> we want the wall. the wall's going to happen or we're not going to have daca. pete: but democrats are threatening a government shutdown to get their way. our next guest defends our border every day and says the dems are politicizing border security.

when you talk about the standard for a crime and i've spoken a lot with professor alan dershowitz abouthis thing that's what we're talking about because if you talk to the russians or had a white russian at a bar, [laughter] on any given night, it seems as though you are now a suspect but it's going to take a whole lot more than that isn't it susan? >> i think so. i mean, where does the trail go from here? there's no evidence that george passed this information along to anybody in the trump campaign. can they get more out of him on this? it's not clear, but i think in congress what you're going to see is maybe a couple of revelations in the coming months , first i'm told that they may come up with, you know, how close was the collusion between trump russia but first they may get into how much influence did the russians have on this election? so i think we may hear two outcomes. trish: don't go anywhere we've got lots more to talk about as we get ready to ring in the new year what will be the biggest stories of 2018? we're looking ahead and i've got more with the panel we'll see trish: t

even if he did, we have seen legal experts from robert ray to alan dershowitz to other people who say he can fire anyone he wants anytime he wants. >> i'm surprised you take issue with the story. even anthony scaramucci does not take issue with the story. the pros for tblem for the whit is it makes liar of the president and many of his top aides. take a listen. >> while the president has a right to, he has no intention to do so. >> the president has not even discussed that. the president is not discussing firing bob mueller. >> will he commit to not fire -- >> he's not even discussing not firing -- he's not discussed firing bob mueller. >> i haven't given it any thought. i've been reading about it from you people, saying i'm going to dismiss him. i'm not going to dismiss anybody. >> are you considering firing robert mueller? >> not at all. >> is there any chance at all the president will try to fire robert mueller? >> no, i saw a couple of people talking about that this morning, and the answer to that is no. >> do you feel -- >> no, i'm not. no. >> so, chris, is this -- is it willful

. >> martha: coming up, alan dershowitz says the rampant armchair psychiatry of some in the media and even a yale professor who has never met the president is not only wrong, but he says it is dangerous in terms of its historical precedents. ♪ >> the psychiatry station of political differences is much more dangerous. it's what they did in russia, it's what they did in china, apartheid south africa. if you don't like a candidate, lock them up. if you can't lock them up, commit them to a mental hospital. >> martha: discussion about mental fitness, house majority whip steve scalise responds. he will also take us inside the weekend meeting at camp david with the president. ♪ but if that's not enough, our app helps monitor your spending too. and if that's not enough to help you save, we could start a carpool. look at this traffic. don't worry. ok, if that's not enough we'll start a trainpool. oh i have a meeting in five minutes. and if that's still not enough... i got it. we'll just create a shortcut. we'll do anything, seriously anything to help you save. ally. do it right. talking 4th qu

i do worry about weaponizing special counsel investigations and i do know it's been alan dershowitz who said even the one that we have now is under fair and without merit. so i do worry. >> harris: you created a two-headed monster. they're going to go in every direction that they want to go in. >> kennedy: when the democrats are in power, what are they going to do as far as appointing special counsel? >> harris: the goose, the gander. >> guy: don't have subpoena power if they control the house. >> sandra: kind of looks like that, doesn't it? president trump is giving up for his first date of the union address but some are watching to see what he says after and if it translates into midterm victory for the g.o.p. how much his speech will boost republican's chances come november. we shall debate. patrick woke up with back pain. but he has work to do. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient

i've heard alan dershowitz say, and i believe it was on this show, anderson, obstruction really is tamperingith the evidence or intimidating a witness, intimidating a juror, or perhaps outright lying to them to change the outcomes. and in this case all we have is perhaps there was somebody lying. that's "the new york times." that's not a court record. >> here's where i think the american people are trying to get our heads wrapped around this. you can do a bunch of stuff as president. you have a lot of authority. but you can't do it with a corrupt motive. the problem is, it's becoming hard to figure out what is the innocent motive for all this stuff. that's the problem. >> firing comey, the case was made by the democrats. everybody in washington d.c. was anti-comey until president trump fired him. it was started by harry reed and then john podesta and then hillary clinton. >> so you like comey less than you used to and i like comey more than i used to. >> i bet you like bannon more than you used to too. >> paul? >> can i just put one thing on the record, jack, you might have missed it. it was

alan dershowitz is one person who has gotten close to the president, who has spoke within the president, has instructed him, i'm told, to be more combative, to fight back on some of these things, to consider litigation. to hold some of this up in court. to slow this process down a little bit. whether or not the president is going to listen to some of those outside voices or continue to put his faith in the lawyers that he has representing him, i guess we'll see. but you can certainly also understand why the people who are representing the president might prefer to have him do a lot of this in writing just because this is a guy who we've seen world leaders do it, we've seen members of congress do it. he's very susceptible to flattery. i've spoken with attorneys here in washington who in recent years before he was president, but not too long ago, deposed donald trump in other lawsuits and said, you know, if you compliment his kids and have a couple nice minutes of banter with him, he'll give you everything you need. and so you can understand why some of these attorneys are nervous about l

peter: alan dershowitz, thank you very much for waking up on new year's day with us. >> thank you. all right. so coming up. defense secretary james mad dog mad dishas a message for america on this new year's day. i'm saving money for a bomb. you're going to love this. lisa: can anything be done to save our country back together again? our political panel is going to weigh in on this. todd: plus, did you party a little bit too hard last night? lisa: not us. todd: i'm pretty sure a lot of you did. three things cure that hangover that are literally in your kitchen right now ♪ don't need no reason ♪ they appear out of nowhere. my secret visitors. hallucinations and delusions. the unknown parts of living with parkinson's. what plots they unfold, but only in my mind. over 50% of people with parkinson's will experience hallucinations or delusions during the course of their disease. if your loved one is experiencing these symptoms, talk to your parkinson's specialist. there are treatment options that can help. my visitors should be the ones i want to see. president trump coming through for

the reason i suggest that is that alan dershowitz is on our air all the time arguing the special counselaw is a bad law and too broad. you started with a land deal on white water in arkansas and ended up with monica lewinsky in a blue dress in a closet. do you agree the special counsel law is -- republican/democrat, doesn't matter. is the law bad? is the idea not well? >> it can be too broad. and you never know what is going to come in the door. we had, of course, no idea when we began the investigation that resulted in 14 criminal convictions in the state of arkansas including the sitting governor of the state that we would eventually be investigating perjury on the part of the president in the sexual harassment case brought by paula jones. you don't know what will come in the door. i agree with alan there are concerns about it but the country has always had some mechanism for investigating the president and those close to them to get it outside the justice department. >> do you know ty cobb? >> i've met him and great respect for him but not dealt with him professionally. >> bill: here

because last night on sean hannity's show alan dershowitz, professor, he said if they ask him to come choice. >> he has a choice to decline to speak to bob mueller. his prosecutors and his investigators. if he is subpoenaed by the grand jury, he has no choice. there he will have to decide whether or not to invoke the fifth amendment. if he invox the fifth amendment, word gets out that would be politically catastrophic. legally that will protect him. if he answers and answers the way we know he likes to answer or he doesn't always. ainsley: off the cuff. >> most respectfully an economy of words, is he going to give them an opportunity to trip him up. they tripped up george papadopoulos. they tripped up mike flynn. they are expert at doing that you can't talk somebody out of charging with you a crime if they are determined to do it. brian: so, judge. what about all his years? he does have a lot of experience in depositions, right? he has a lot of lawsuits when he deals with business levels at&t this level. so is that going to help him? >> that is a great question, brian. but in that env

alan dershowitz will answer that question today.al to begin with? depend who you ask. sandra and i will see you shortly, top of the hour, ten minutes away. it's not theirs. it's mine. mine. mine. mine. the new lexus rx 350l with three rows for seven passengers. are you excited about your baby sister coming? experience space for the unexpected with the rx l, part of the rx family. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. ♪ ainsley: a cia analyst on maternity leave writes a new suspense novel in some way mirror hers own life. in the thriller vivian miller uncover as dangerous secret that will threaten her job, her family, even her life. she is forced to choose loyalty to her country over loyalty to her family. it is called, "need to know." we have the author, former cia analyst, karen cleveland. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. ainsley: you wrote it on maternity leave. you wrote it during your second maternity leave. how did you have time to do that? you are my hero. >> this is opportunity to do it. i tried to get it

she is no alan dershowitz even though she taught at harvard law school like he did.tand why president trump would like to run against her. the whole thing with the -- her native american ancestry which is more than questionable. she -- he calls her pocahontas. they call him an aracist. she is a ethnic fraud. she refuses to take a d.n.a. test to prove whether or not she is a native american. she checked the box to get the jobs at university of pennsylvania law school and harvard law school claiming to be a woman of color. and she is not. she is not. and, you know, i just -- i brought in this book powwow chow. this is the cookbook. she contributed recipes claiming to be. steve: what kind of cookboo cookbook? >> it's supposedly indian recipes. but she contributed five recipes, two of them she plagiarized from a french cuisine book done by a "new york times" columnist pierre including a dish called cold crab omelet. do you think they served cold crab omelet on the trail of piers. she has a lot of skeletons in her closet. she speaks with a forked tongue if i can be allowe