historians alan lichtman, who by the way predicted donald trump's victory, and michael kazin, who's written about the difference between leading with a congressional majority, and then going it alone. nice to see you both. alan, we will start with you. as president obama heads out of the whitehouse, we'll talk about his legacy but really how long before we really know a legacy. time to see how initiatives play out and the opening up of records and the opportunity for historians to chew through those records and provide real analysis. >> how does a high favorability rating heading out of office play into that judgment, do you think, michael? >> doesn't matter. vrbata, i don't think. lbj for example was a great success in terms of domestic policy, but horrendous in terms of the vietnam debacle that he was not primarily responsible for but had a lot to do with. historians are still arguing how do you stack up great society programs, many of which still exist like medicare and are popular against what happened in vietnam? these questions are debated and it really depends on what you think this

. >> stewart: professor alan lichtman, thanks so much for sharing all your information. >> my pleasure. >> stewart: read the 13 statements that allan lichtman used to predict the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. visit www.pbs.org/newshour. >> stewart: in april, we brought you the story of sonia cacy, a 68-year-old texas woman convicted in 1993 of murdering her uncle by arson and sentenced to 99 years in prison. here's an update to her story. cacy maintained her innocence throughout her trial and conviction, even after the case's toxicologist produced evidence that her uncle had traces of gasoline on his clothes. sonja, did you have anything to do with the fire that occurred on november 10, 1991? >> no, i did not. i did not ever, anything. no. >> stewart: later evidence found that toxicologist's report was faulty and that the fire was started accidentally. cacy was released from prison on parole but was never exonerated and had to report to a parole officer once a month for 17 years. >> it's a big burden because you can't even get a place to live. everybody does your backgroun

. >> joining me now is professor alan lichtman from american university.made headlines for predicting trump's win. thank you for being here, professor. >> my pleasure. >> let me ask you, no matter what comes next, aren't some of president obama's achievements already written in history? >> that's right. a lot of what obama has done is already sealed in the laminate of history. look, he will go down in history as the president who saved us from a potentially catastrophic plunge into a great depression. it doesn't seem right now that that was a reality, but it really was when obama first took office. critically important. let us also not forget that he really has reversed a lot of the very militaristic unilateral policies of the bush administration. that is not going to be so easy to change. >> let me stop you right there, because the president said that it is not -- it is more easily said than done to reverse or roll back some of the things that has been achieved. what does history tell us? >> history tells us it is incredibly difficult to roll back accompl

joining me now is alan lichtman. what's the biggest indicator for you that trump will win?well, it's none of the things any of these other things look at. it's my historically based prediction system which is 13 key factors that determine whether or not the party holding the white house is going to keep the white house. and if six or more of those factors, which essentially measures the strength and performance of the white house party go against that party, they're predicted losers. and right now, there are exactly six keys against the incumbent democratic party. so, by the narrowest and shakiest of margins, history points to a democratic win. however, and i'm not a hedger, i've never hedged in over 30 years, and you know that, because we've talked many times, i do have a major qualification this time. >> and it is? >> and that is, a generic republican should win this election. this should be a change election. but the republicans may have glommed onto the one candidate so many americans find to be uniquely dangerous that he could be a history-shattering candidate who can

. >> alan lichtman is his name and he teaches at american university in washington dc and he has accuratelyled every presidential election since 1984. this morning he is protecting something else. he says he believes there is a good chance that donald trump could patient peach meant. -- could face impeachment. but some say they would rather mike pence be there later. >> i don't know what he is basing this on. as far as his prediction- >> it is based on his gut feeling. >> this is not scientific. >>> ready for school forecast coming up we have basically 50s going on by high noon and trichotomy afternoon pickup. plenty of sunshine, but it will be cool. the kron4 morning news continues. >>> i'm at the breaking news desk coming up i will have reaction from the mother of a missing shasta county woman. here what she had to say to her accused kidnapper. heavy, labored breathing heavy, labored breathing heavy, labored breathing coughing breathing through oxygen mask breathing through oxygen mask breathing through oxygen mask breathing through oxygen mask covered california. it's more than just heal

alan lichtman, american university professor. saw as donald trump getting elected.tatic. enjoy the president while you have it. just one man's opinion. the read across the pond what the heck is going on here. only this european parliament member is here in the flesh after this. >> good afternoon, live from the new york stock exchange, i'm lori rothman with your fox business brief. they are jumping today. bouncing up a 3-month low, on reports that opec is working out details after proposed cut in crude out put. we'll keep eye out for that. the dollar also strengthening again today. it has been on fire. this is the second, number seven, consecutive session of gains today. today's move on the back of pretty good retail sales here in the u.s. for the latest month. moving in the opposite direction are the banks. banks were among the best performers post-trump victory in the election. wells fargo is really suffering the most here. wells fargo down more than 2%. banks as entire sector off about 2%. jpmorgan, bank of america following suit. jpmorgan off one quarter of 1%. t